From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.44.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3B93EB3C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAQ3sQp27171 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:54:26 -0500 Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id fAQ3sQU19926 for blinux-list@listman.redhat.com; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:54:26 -0500 Received: from mail1.netacc.net (mail1.netacc.net [208.34.108.26]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id fAQ3sPw19891 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:54:25 -0500 Received: from bharding (algoma-host48.doorpi.net [12.37.10.53]) by mail1.netacc.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fAQ3sNE77123 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:54:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011125215753.0084b1b0@mail.doorpi.net> X-Sender: bharding@mail.doorpi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:57:53 -0600 To: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Brent Harding Subject: Re: linux, and audio. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Sender: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com Errors-To: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is there a decent sound editor to use in linux? At 07:14 PM 11/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Bill Gaughan wrote: > >> ... And, how come some live365 sites let you have access with >> "trplayer" thru "lynx" and others don't? > >I see all too many sites going exclusively with the M$ Windoze >Media Player, with it's ultimate proprietary lock in. Take >comfort in the fact that M$ has been a consistent failure in it's >efforts to co-opt the internet and it's protocols, and that >they're now, by their own admission, running scared of Linux. So >vendors and stations will soon wise up, and switch to something >more open (if they survive). > >In the meantime, the internet has a vast selection of alternative >sites. I used to chuckle at the sites that tried to register >you, and even tried to charge fees for access. Some wannabees >just don't have a clue about the internet, and that includes most >of the old media (ABC, MSNBC, CBS, big newspapers and magazines, >etc) with their carefully filtered news and old media biases >(don't you just love trying to navigate their stupidly designed >sites)? They are now all bleeding cash heavily, and many are >dying, even as the New Media, exemplified by the leading >www.wnd.com, and the new media sites they link to, prosper (while >the Old Media pretend that that ALL the internet media are >failing with them). > >> ...we have simply got to find a way around this "unsupported >> url scheme" message we all get when we try to invoke JavaScript >> in lynx. > >The solution of a previous poster (checking the HTML source for >the URL) is maybe the most sensible idea for now. Automated >solutions will come with time. And vote with your feet for the >new media sites that have a clue about the internet, and real >content. > >> I fear that lynx and maybe linux, will soon be useless to us >> all unless we gain full meaningful and understandable access to >> X-Windows and X applications like Netscape for Linux. I fear >> that, once again, we will be left behind, or forced to stumble >> thru the jumble of MS Windows software products. > >There's nothing to worry about there. This concern comes up from >time to time on this list, among newbies to linux. You can >consult the list archives for detailed discussions. I will only >comment that once you understand the Unix philosophy (there are >HOWTOs and FAQs on this), you will understand why text based apps >continue to grow at an astonishing rate, and how much power >exists in this arena (GUI apps can never hope to approach that >level of functionality and power). Increasing, the GUI apps are >just dumbed down front ends on top of these text and script based >apps, or (often somewhat limited) alternative interfaces added to >them. > >> Until computers and the computer hardware and software industry >> develop national and international uniform standards, > >You mean, like the development of the internet and Open Source? > > >> computers will continue to be useful toys. > >You may realize that M$ OS software has been routinely referred >to as a toy on many expert discussion lists, for some time now, >and for good reason. > >> Just look at what a disaster internet radio has become with the >> folding of netradio.com last month. Not to speak of the >> disaster the dispute over royalty pay to announcers and >> advertising actors has done to internet radio. Many broadcasts >> have pulled content from the internet because of the fear of >> lawsuits, because the actors guild that records the >> advertisements wants to be payed twice on their royalties, once >> for conventional media (radio) and again for being broadcast on >> the internet. > >Not familar with this. Sounds like more of the typical problems >with the Old Media paradigm. Just be patient -- it's becoming >increasingly obvious that there's nothing the old media giants >can do to stop, or even slow the change. A good example is the >recent discussion here of DRM (basically copy protection), as it >relates to some new accessibility and electronic book standards. >For an excellent discussion of what the old media are up against, >just in the DRM area, in mp3 format, see: > >http://www.ima.umn.edu/recordings/Public_Lecture/2000-2001/feb_12_01/schnei er-24.mp3 > >It is about 15 meg, so you may wish to download it at night, if >you don't have a fast connection. This is a lecture, followed by >discussion, by Bruce Schneier, a world authority in computer >security and cryptology. This guy has a talent for explaining >complicated issues in terms even ordinary mortals can follow, and >he even manages to make it entertaining much of the time. If you >want more info in text format, see his site at >http://www.counterpane.com/ (hint, search for "copy protection" >and "snake oil"). > >Note that we have come full circle here, to the original >question, which was about accessible audio formats: M$ is >promising what it can never deliver to content vendors (nor can >anyone), in terms of DRM. Eventually even the dumbest of M$ >customers (publishers and broadcasters) will get wise to the >scam (well, ok, the survivors anyway). > >LCR > >-- >L. C. Robinson >reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid > >People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and >instability instead. This is award winning "innovation". Find >out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see >"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >Blinux-list mailing list >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >