From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.44.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0803F54B for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAE4VUp10705 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:31:30 -0500 Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id fAE4VUB11435 for blinux-list@listman.redhat.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:31:30 -0500 Received: from mail2.netacc.net (mail2.netacc.net [208.34.108.27]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id fAE4VUw11431 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:31:30 -0500 Received: from bharding (algoma-host7.doorpi.net [12.37.10.12]) by mail2.netacc.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fAE4VSL57110 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:31:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011113223436.00a68a90@mail.doorpi.net> X-Sender: bharding@mail.doorpi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:34:36 -0600 To: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Brent Harding Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out In-Reply-To: <004401c16c96$4dea4ee0$2cf60141@cp286066a> References: <20011113163615.R60583-100000@server1.shellworld.net> <000f01c16c94$c9a9e9c0$0100000a@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Sender: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com Errors-To: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've read braille since I was little, but the first computers I used were with speech only. I probably didn't know about refreshable braille that long ago, it was a big thing at school to have the teachers able to braille stuff on one of those old braille embossers that also put print underneath for sighted people to follow, that was high tech in it's day. Using a braille lite for a short time while the braille 'n speak was being repaired was cool, definitely like it, but got used to speech first. At 05:55 PM 11/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have also found that using an 80 character display is ore productive. >it seems that the more you can get within the grasp of your fingertips >at a time, the better it is. It does take some effort though if you are >used to doing things with speech. When I first started ut in dos, I >started with braille. I hated going to speech but was forced to it by >circumstanc. It's even better when yu use the display for navigation in >real time in addition to reading I can read a line and snap right to >something that needs fixing without having to fiddle with keys to do it. >I can do other things while working on the computer with braille but not >with speech so that makes me more productive. I have been reading >braille since 1956. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tommy Craig" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:44 PM >Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out > > >Hi Luke, > > I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone either. I do believe that >statistically though I am on safe ground. One statistic is that 80% of >blind >people are unemployed and that 80% of the ones who are employed are >Braille >users. I based my statements on my experience and on the people I have >worked with and trained throughout the years. Of course there are >exceptions >to every rule. I also believe that there is a huge difference in the >Braille >display you are using. For example, using an eighty character display is >much more productive than using a 20 or 40 cell display. >Tommy > > > >_______________________________________________ >Blinux-list mailing list >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >Blinux-list mailing list >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >