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From: Brent Harding <bharding@doorpi.net>
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:29:18 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20011113222918.00a65e20@mail.doorpi.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111131738360.6158-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>

Probably all of it, the braille display of course. The way it's designed
and what's in it. Blazie probably developed 99% or more of theirs from the
ground up, the oS, the processor, all the chips in it, quite a lot for a
niche market.
At 05:39 PM 11/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Tommy, what did Papenmeier/Alva develop on this product? The OS? The 
>telecomm progs that talk modem and ethernet? Maybe the word fileformat 
>converters? Perhaps the calendars? What?
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Tommy Craig 
>wrote:
>
>> Well I guess I didn't make my point very well. The reason prices on
>> computers are dropping is because they are sold by the hundreds of
>> thousands. For example, Dell computers sells more computers in one hour
than
>> A blindness company is likely to sell in five years. When a manufacturer
>> develops a new product it cost a lot of money in or&d. It takes months if
>> not years to developed a new product line and it takes a team of dedicated
>> and talented people to do it. These people don't work for free. As a matter
>> of fact they usually get paid very well. It also cost an amazing amount to
>> make test models and to developed a case to put it all in. If Dell spends
>> $800,000 to developed a new product and it sells 100000 of them, it only
>> cost them $8 per unit to developed it. If on the other hand a blindness
>> company spends $800,000 to developed a new product and only sells a
thousand
>> of them, then it cost $800 per unit to developed it. Also manufacturing
cost
>> are much less when you produce tens of thousands of something than when you
>> produce hundreds of units.
>> 
>>     The next area of course is sales and support. If you go to Office Depot
>> and buy a computer, the salesperson spends maybe ten minutes with you,
takes
>> your money and you go home and will probably never see that person again.
>> When I sell a product, It is usually after making a trip to see the
>> individual, in many cases tens or hundreds of miles away. Once I get to the
>> person, I usually spend at least a couple of hours showing the product,
>> answering questions and teaching the person at least the basics of how to
>> use the device. Then once I make the sale, I usually spend time on the
phone
>> answering questions and helping the user get the most out of their product.
>> I'm not complaining. I believe that I owe it to my customers to make sure
>> they have the best experience possible with my products, but it is still a
>> far different relationship than people have with their department store.
>> 
>>     You also state that the price of Braille displays is not dropping
but is
>> instead increasing. This is certainly not the case. When I first started
>> working with Papenmeier displays, the IB-80 cost around $18,000. Now a
>> comparable model sells for around $10,000. It's still not cheap, but it is
>> certainly less expensive than it used to be. We have also increased the
>> reliability of our products. For example, back then you got a one year
>> warranty, now our displays come with a three year warranty. This is also
>> just the opposite of what most companies are doing. For example, Dell used
>> to provide a three year warranty with all of their systems. They now
offer a
>> one year warranty and charge extra for additional years.
>> 
>>     Don't get me wrong. I do wish the products I sell were much cheaper. I
>> would love to see the price cut in half or even better. I don't believe it
>> will happen anytime soon though. You also ask about the statement
concerning
>> Linux software. The point is that with the ELBA you will be able to run off
>> the shelf software that is free or very inexpensive. You can download a
>> title and use it instead of or in addition to what we provide.
>> Tommy
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
 Ian Blackburn
 ` David Poehlman
   ` Brent Harding
     ` Tommy Craig
       ` David Poehlman
       ` Joel Zimba
       ` Brent Harding
         ` Tommy Craig
           ` Joel Zimba
             ` Brent Harding
       ` Janina Sajka
         ` Tommy Craig
           ` Janina Sajka
             ` philwh
               ` Janina Sajka
             ` Tommy Craig
               ` Janina Sajka
                 ` A. R. Vener
                   ` Janina Sajka
                     ` A. R. Vener
                       ` David Poehlman
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111131727580.6158-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
                     ` Brent Harding
                 ` Tommy Craig
                   ` Janina Sajka
                     ` Tommy Craig
                       ` Janina Sajka
                         ` Tommy Craig
                           ` Brent Harding
                             ` Tommy Craig
                               ` Joel Zimba
                                 ` David Poehlman
                               ` Janina Sajka
                               ` Brent Harding
                                 ` philwh
                                   ` Tommy Craig
                                     ` Bill Gaughan
                                       ` Bill Gaughan
                                       ` Janina Sajka
                                         ` philwh
                                       ` Tommy Craig
                                     ` Joel Zimba
                                       ` Brent Harding
                                   ` Bill Gaughan
                                     ` Henry Yen
                                   ` Brent Harding
     [not found]                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.40.0111141316310.478-100000@beethoven.wgaughan. net>
                                     ` Brent Harding
     [not found]                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111140952050.6158-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
                                 ` Brent Harding
                                   ` Janina Sajka
     [not found]                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111141354210.6158-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
                                     ` Brent Harding
                                       ` Janina Sajka
                                         ` Joel Zimba
                                           ` Brent Harding
                                             ` Joel Zimba
                                               ` Brent Harding
                                                 ` Joel Zimba
                                                   ` Luke Davis
                                                     ` Joel Zimba
                                                       ` Luke Davis
                                                         ` Janina Sajka
                                                     ` Brent Harding
                                                       ` Luke Davis
                                                       ` Joel Zimba
                                                         ` Brent Harding
                                                   ` Brent Harding
     [not found]                                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111151129210.1655-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
                                         ` Brent Harding
                           ` Janina Sajka
                             ` Luke Davis
                               ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Tommy Craig
                               ` Tommy Craig
                                 ` Luke Davis
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                   ` Buddy Brannan
     [not found]                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111151829250.1655-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
                                 ` Brent Harding
                             ` Tommy Craig
                         ` Quitting (was: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out) S. Massy
                           ` David Poehlman
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111131738360.6158-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
                     ` Brent Harding [this message]
                       ` the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out philwh
               ` Brent Harding
               ` Luke Davis
                 ` Tommy Craig
                   ` Luke Davis
                     ` Jared
                     ` Janina Sajka
                   ` David Poehlman
                     ` Brent Harding
                 ` Saqib Shaikh
     ` Janina Sajka
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
 Craig Powell
 ` Janina Sajka
 ` Brent Harding
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111152132350.3766-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
   ` Brent Harding
 Brent Harding
 ` Beth Wright
 ` Janina Sajka
   ` Joel Zimba
     ` Brent Harding
       ` Janina Sajka
     ` Janina Sajka
       ` Ari Moisio
         ` Janina Sajka
   ` philwh
   ` Luke Davis
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111131229070.6158-100000@toccata.grg.afb.ne t>
   ` Brent Harding
     ` David Poehlman

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