Re: Custom

Re: Custom

[Brent Harding]

Wow, this is exactly similar to what I had with redhat when using the boot
disk kernel. Since it had the -2BOOT at the end, my modules wouldn't load,
the system was quite useless, couldn't even mount my fat32 partition to
download new kernel source to the linux one. I tried the obvious symbolic
link thing, and got unresolved symbols all over the place. I wonder if you
end up with those too? I wish there was a boot disk around that had
everything one needed to access fat partitions. However, I used windows to
download the new kernel rpm's from speakup.octothorp.org, and used
slackware boot disks to put them in place. Without those, I'd have been
like a fish out of water unless I split the kernel source in to floppy
sized chunks.
At 02:30 AM 11/10/01 -0800, you wrote:
>This is of interest to people who fold Jupiter, Speakup, or Brass into
their own kernels,
>or anyone who rebuilds the kernel for any reason.
>
>I found that somewhere around 2.4.7, Linux throws you a curve.
>And believe me, I was swinging high for several hours!
>
>If your kernel is, say, version 2.4.8,
>your newly built kernel will be version 2.4.8custom.
>The word custom is tacked on the end.
>This means all modules are taken from
>/lib/modules/2.4.8custom, a directory that (probably) doesn't exist
>on your system.
>No modules means lots of things won't work.
>Probably your network connection, possibly some of your drives.
>And some drivers, such as the 3com network drivers,
>*must* be built as modules, and loaded that way.
>I was quite frustrated, until I figured this out.
>I made a symbolic link from 2.4.8custom to 2.4.8.
>That's probably not what Linus wanted me to do.
>He probably wanted me to make a new directory
>and replicate all those modules,
>my own custom modules.
>But guess what?  I didn't feel like it.
>
>Karl
>
>
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Re: Custom

[Janina Sajka]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Dave Mielke wrote:

> [quoted lines by Janina Sajka on November 10, 2001, at 10:34]
> 
> >with a Redhat installation, the scripts will create
> >/lib/modules/2.4.X-Ycustom as appropriate. So, at least with Redhat, this
> >is actually not a problem.
> 
> This isn't specific to RedHat. It's the way the kernel make file works. If the
> proper build procedure is used, the correct modules will be found in the
> correct directory which will have been created.
> 
Hi, Dave:

The question was about the addition of the word "custom" to the directory 
name, and the kernel name, I may add. As far as I know, that is new to 
Redhat in its Enigma release numbered 7.2. Makefiles previous to Enigma 
defaulted to no specification in the EXTRAVERSION part of the naming 
scheme. Before now, that value was just blank in Redhat, at least. Now it 
has a default value.

Of course, it's trivial to go change the value, should someone wish. This 
is the point of my message.
 > 

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Re: Custom

[Brent Harding]

I even did make install with the kernel when I recompiled my problems of
boot floppy kernel out. I ran sndconfig to get sblive going, it's cool. I
like that, that's something debian never gave me when I used it, and it was
haphazard as I started from a downloaded base system instead of CD, which
on a modem takes forever.
At 10:34 AM 11/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Karl:
>
>This appelation is easily removed. Edit your Makefile. You'll find 
>"custom" applied about four lines into this script as "EXTRAVERSION."
>
>PS: The issue of an appropriate modules directory is handled by the Redhat 
>install scripts. In other words, if one does:
>
>	make modules
>	make modules_install
>
>with a Redhat installation, the scripts will create 
>/lib/modules/2.4.X-Ycustom as appropriate. So, at least with Redhat, this 
>is actually not a problem.
>
>
>On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
>
>> This is of interest to people who fold Jupiter, Speakup, or Brass into
their own kernels,
>> or anyone who rebuilds the kernel for any reason.
>> 
>> I found that somewhere around 2.4.7, Linux throws you a curve.
>> And believe me, I was swinging high for several hours!
>> 
>> If your kernel is, say, version 2.4.8,
>> your newly built kernel will be version 2.4.8custom.
>> The word custom is tacked on the end.
>> This means all modules are taken from
>> /lib/modules/2.4.8custom, a directory that (probably) doesn't exist
>> on your system.
>> No modules means lots of things won't work.
>> Probably your network connection, possibly some of your drives.
>> And some drivers, such as the 3com network drivers,
>> *must* be built as modules, and loaded that way.
>> I was quite frustrated, until I figured this out.
>> I made a symbolic link from 2.4.8custom to 2.4.8.
>> That's probably not what Linus wanted me to do.
>> He probably wanted me to make a new directory
>> and replicate all those modules,
>> my own custom modules.
>> But guess what?  I didn't feel like it.
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Custom

[Dave Mielke]

[quoted lines by Janina Sajka on November 10, 2001, at 10:34]

>with a Redhat installation, the scripts will create
>/lib/modules/2.4.X-Ycustom as appropriate. So, at least with Redhat, this
>is actually not a problem.

This isn't specific to RedHat. It's the way the kernel make file works. If the
proper build procedure is used, the correct modules will be found in the
correct directory which will have been created.

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Re: Custom

[Janina Sajka]

Karl:

This appelation is easily removed. Edit your Makefile. You'll find 
"custom" applied about four lines into this script as "EXTRAVERSION."

PS: The issue of an appropriate modules directory is handled by the Redhat 
install scripts. In other words, if one does:

	make modules
	make modules_install

with a Redhat installation, the scripts will create 
/lib/modules/2.4.X-Ycustom as appropriate. So, at least with Redhat, this 
is actually not a problem.


On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:

> This is of interest to people who fold Jupiter, Speakup, or Brass into their own kernels,
> or anyone who rebuilds the kernel for any reason.
> 
> I found that somewhere around 2.4.7, Linux throws you a curve.
> And believe me, I was swinging high for several hours!
> 
> If your kernel is, say, version 2.4.8,
> your newly built kernel will be version 2.4.8custom.
> The word custom is tacked on the end.
> This means all modules are taken from
> /lib/modules/2.4.8custom, a directory that (probably) doesn't exist
> on your system.
> No modules means lots of things won't work.
> Probably your network connection, possibly some of your drives.
> And some drivers, such as the 3com network drivers,
> *must* be built as modules, and loaded that way.
> I was quite frustrated, until I figured this out.
> I made a symbolic link from 2.4.8custom to 2.4.8.
> That's probably not what Linus wanted me to do.
> He probably wanted me to make a new directory
> and replicate all those modules,
> my own custom modules.
> But guess what?  I didn't feel like it.
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

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RE: Custom

[Georgina]

Hi

Is this distrto specific?  I'm running Slackware 8 and currently running
kernel 2.4.11.  I didn't build a 2.4.8 kernel but I've not seen what you
suggest.


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To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Custom


This is of interest to people who fold Jupiter, Speakup, or Brass into their
own kernels,
or anyone who rebuilds the kernel for any reason.

I found that somewhere around 2.4.7, Linux throws you a curve.
And believe me, I was swinging high for several hours!

If your kernel is, say, version 2.4.8,
your newly built kernel will be version 2.4.8custom.
The word custom is tacked on the end.
This means all modules are taken from
/lib/modules/2.4.8custom, a directory that (probably) doesn't exist
on your system.
No modules means lots of things won't work.
Probably your network connection, possibly some of your drives.
And some drivers, such as the 3com network drivers,
*must* be built as modules, and loaded that way.
I was quite frustrated, until I figured this out.
I made a symbolic link from 2.4.8custom to 2.4.8.
That's probably not what Linus wanted me to do.
He probably wanted me to make a new directory
and replicate all those modules,
my own custom modules.
But guess what?  I didn't feel like it.

Karl



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Custom

[Karl Dahlke]

This is of interest to people who fold Jupiter, Speakup, or Brass into their own kernels,
or anyone who rebuilds the kernel for any reason.

I found that somewhere around 2.4.7, Linux throws you a curve.
And believe me, I was swinging high for several hours!

If your kernel is, say, version 2.4.8,
your newly built kernel will be version 2.4.8custom.
The word custom is tacked on the end.
This means all modules are taken from
/lib/modules/2.4.8custom, a directory that (probably) doesn't exist
on your system.
No modules means lots of things won't work.
Probably your network connection, possibly some of your drives.
And some drivers, such as the 3com network drivers,
*must* be built as modules, and loaded that way.
I was quite frustrated, until I figured this out.
I made a symbolic link from 2.4.8custom to 2.4.8.
That's probably not what Linus wanted me to do.
He probably wanted me to make a new directory
and replicate all those modules,
my own custom modules.
But guess what?  I didn't feel like it.

Karl