FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Martin G. McCormick]

	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.

	You also need a DOS P.C. with a suitable screen reader
and telecomm package such as Kermit or Procomm and a null-modem
cable.

	What happens is that the FreeBSD installation CDROM has a
routine on it that, in some cases, will start talking through the
serial port if you have it connected and no local keyboard
connected to the FreeBSD system.

	If your system doesn't talk to you on boot-up like mine
didn't, all is still not lost.  An alternative method of getting
your serial console to work is to connect a local keyboard to the
stubborn FreeBSD system and boot the CDROM.  You will hear two
beeps.  At that point, hit any key except Return on the local
keyboard and type 

boot -h

and voila, the FreeBSD copyright notice starts spewing out the
serial port.

	You certainly need a VT100 emulator to do the
installation and it takes a little getting used to, but it does
work and I could do an OS installation complete with hard drive
formatting in about 25 minutes, once I knew what I was doing.

	When the system comes up fully, your serial port goes
silent unless it is defined as a TTY, so you need to be able to
configure the network port and log in to it over Ethernet after
the initial installation.

	Interestingly enough, the serial port wakes up again each
time you reboot or halt the system.  You can boot in to
single-user mode and fix things if you have to.  I really like
it, but Linux seems to have better sound card support.

	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
that way.

	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.

	By the way, you can download an entire 650-meg ISO image
of the installation disk and burn your own CDROM if you have a
good network connection or lots of patience.  We have a good
network connection at Oklahoma State and one of the mirror sites
for FreeBSD seems to also have a good connection, so it only took
a relatively short time to do the download.  The first site we
tried took well over a day, but it really didn't matter as the
download kept getting aborted due to loss of the connection.

	The image did produce a bootable disk and I was able to
use it for the installations.

	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
FreeBSD installation disk.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group

Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[S. Massy]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu> wrote:

> 	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> 
> 
> 	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> that way.
Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel; security 
level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also, distributions 
like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't quite do so 
without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of security by 
default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes anyway.
> 
> 	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
Again, thank you for doing so.
> 
> 	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> FreeBSD installation disk.
Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box with minicom 
to access the target machine...
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Janina Sajka]

Martin:

I don't know specifically about the IBM Netfinity, but many, if not most
non-Intel computers will automatically use the first serial port for
communications if you boot without a monitor connected. I have even used a
Braille 'N Speak connected to my DEC Alpha this way.

 On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. 
McCormick wrote:

> 	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> 
> 	You also need a DOS P.C. with a suitable screen reader
> and telecomm package such as Kermit or Procomm and a null-modem
> cable.
> 
> 	What happens is that the FreeBSD installation CDROM has a
> routine on it that, in some cases, will start talking through the
> serial port if you have it connected and no local keyboard
> connected to the FreeBSD system.
> 
> 	If your system doesn't talk to you on boot-up like mine
> didn't, all is still not lost.  An alternative method of getting
> your serial console to work is to connect a local keyboard to the
> stubborn FreeBSD system and boot the CDROM.  You will hear two
> beeps.  At that point, hit any key except Return on the local
> keyboard and type 
> 
> boot -h
> 
> and voila, the FreeBSD copyright notice starts spewing out the
> serial port.
> 
> 	You certainly need a VT100 emulator to do the
> installation and it takes a little getting used to, but it does
> work and I could do an OS installation complete with hard drive
> formatting in about 25 minutes, once I knew what I was doing.
> 
> 	When the system comes up fully, your serial port goes
> silent unless it is defined as a TTY, so you need to be able to
> configure the network port and log in to it over Ethernet after
> the initial installation.
> 
> 	Interestingly enough, the serial port wakes up again each
> time you reboot or halt the system.  You can boot in to
> single-user mode and fix things if you have to.  I really like
> it, but Linux seems to have better sound card support.
> 
> 	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> that way.
> 
> 	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> 
> 	By the way, you can download an entire 650-meg ISO image
> of the installation disk and burn your own CDROM if you have a
> good network connection or lots of patience.  We have a good
> network connection at Oklahoma State and one of the mirror sites
> for FreeBSD seems to also have a good connection, so it only took
> a relatively short time to do the download.  The first site we
> tried took well over a day, but it really didn't matter as the
> download kept getting aborted due to loss of the connection.
> 
> 	The image did produce a bootable disk and I was able to
> use it for the installations.
> 
> 	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> FreeBSD installation disk.
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
> 
> 
> 
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				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Brent Harding]

I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit files, the
demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried windows
telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu> wrote:
>
>> 	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
>> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
>> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
>> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
>> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
>> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
>> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
>Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
>> 
>> 
>> 	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
>> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
>> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
>> that way.
>Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel; security 
>level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
distributions 
>like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't quite do so 
>without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of security by 
>default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes anyway.
>> 
>> 	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
>> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
>Again, thank you for doing so.
>> 
>> 	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
>> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
>> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
>> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
>> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
>> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
>> FreeBSD installation disk.
>Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box with
minicom 
>to access the target machine...
>> 
>> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
>> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Brent Harding]

Wow, what do Netfinity systems come with already on? I heard on redhat.com
that that distribution would work. The next box I get, I'll be probably
installing serial style until ethernet is going anyways. I just was
thinking what the least waste of money would be in doing this, having a
bunch of extra software, and features I don't need in most systems places
offer, or if anything preloaded with linux is a good deal.
At 12:52 PM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Martin:
>
>I don't know specifically about the IBM Netfinity, but many, if not most
>non-Intel computers will automatically use the first serial port for
>communications if you boot without a monitor connected. I have even used a
>Braille 'N Speak connected to my DEC Alpha this way.
>
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. 
>McCormick wrote:
>
>> 	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
>> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
>> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
>> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
>> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
>> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
>> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
>> 
>> 	You also need a DOS P.C. with a suitable screen reader
>> and telecomm package such as Kermit or Procomm and a null-modem
>> cable.
>> 
>> 	What happens is that the FreeBSD installation CDROM has a
>> routine on it that, in some cases, will start talking through the
>> serial port if you have it connected and no local keyboard
>> connected to the FreeBSD system.
>> 
>> 	If your system doesn't talk to you on boot-up like mine
>> didn't, all is still not lost.  An alternative method of getting
>> your serial console to work is to connect a local keyboard to the
>> stubborn FreeBSD system and boot the CDROM.  You will hear two
>> beeps.  At that point, hit any key except Return on the local
>> keyboard and type 
>> 
>> boot -h
>> 
>> and voila, the FreeBSD copyright notice starts spewing out the
>> serial port.
>> 
>> 	You certainly need a VT100 emulator to do the
>> installation and it takes a little getting used to, but it does
>> work and I could do an OS installation complete with hard drive
>> formatting in about 25 minutes, once I knew what I was doing.
>> 
>> 	When the system comes up fully, your serial port goes
>> silent unless it is defined as a TTY, so you need to be able to
>> configure the network port and log in to it over Ethernet after
>> the initial installation.
>> 
>> 	Interestingly enough, the serial port wakes up again each
>> time you reboot or halt the system.  You can boot in to
>> single-user mode and fix things if you have to.  I really like
>> it, but Linux seems to have better sound card support.
>> 
>> 	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
>> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
>> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
>> that way.
>> 
>> 	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
>> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
>> 
>> 	By the way, you can download an entire 650-meg ISO image
>> of the installation disk and burn your own CDROM if you have a
>> good network connection or lots of patience.  We have a good
>> network connection at Oklahoma State and one of the mirror sites
>> for FreeBSD seems to also have a good connection, so it only took
>> a relatively short time to do the download.  The first site we
>> tried took well over a day, but it really didn't matter as the
>> download kept getting aborted due to loss of the connection.
>> 
>> 	The image did produce a bootable disk and I was able to
>> use it for the installations.
>> 
>> 	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
>> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
>> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
>> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
>> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
>> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
>> FreeBSD installation disk.
>> 
>> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
>> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>> 
>
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>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
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>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Watanabe Katsuaki]

 Hi Martin. I am Katsuaki.
>beeps.  At that point, hit any key except Return on the local
>keyboard and type
>
>boot -h

 I always use this way when I install FreeBSD.
Here in Japan, FreeBSD is one of the most
popular OS.
Meny visual handicaped also use FreeBSD when it comes to PC-Unix.

When I have to set up server,
I always use FreeBSD.
I access to FreeBSD system via telnet under DOS,
because Japanese speach system and braille system is still poor under
UNIX or Windows.
---------------------------------------------
   渡辺　勝明
   E-mail:katsuaki@watakatsu.com
   URL:http://www.watakatsu.com/

Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Janina Sajka]

Two suggestions:

1.)	Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered 
copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com? It works 
well with PC Console apps without tweaks;

2.)	Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
	Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
	Arrow to Option 5 -- General
	Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
	Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector

It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you need to 
reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's not a 
problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can just 
exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean to do 
anyway.


 On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent 
Harding wrote:

> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit files, the
> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried windows
> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> 	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> >> that way.
> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel; security 
> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
> distributions 
> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't quite do so 
> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of security by 
> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes anyway.
> >> 
> >> 	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> >Again, thank you for doing so.
> >> 
> >> 	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box with
> minicom 
> >to access the target machine...
> >> 
> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Brent Harding]

Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I suppose
with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left and
right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with speakup
edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed out,
although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos support
kind of sucks too.
At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Two suggestions:
>
>1.)	Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered 
>copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com? It works 
>well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
>
>2.)	Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
>	Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
>	Arrow to Option 5 -- General
>	Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
>	Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
>
>It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you need to 
>reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's not a 
>problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can just 
>exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean to do 
>anyway.
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent 
>Harding wrote:
>
>> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit files, the
>> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried windows
>> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
>> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
wrote:
>> >
>> >> 	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
>> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
>> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
>> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
>> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
>> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
>> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
>> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
>> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
>> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
>> >> that way.
>> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel; security 
>> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
>> distributions 
>> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't quite do so 
>> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of security by 
>> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes anyway.
>> >> 
>> >> 	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
>> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
>> >Again, thank you for doing so.
>> >> 
>> >> 	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
>> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
>> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
>> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
>> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
>> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
>> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
>> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box with
>> minicom 
>> >to access the target machine...
>> >> 
>> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
>> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations
Group
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Janina Sajka]

asap is very much like speakup.

The demo will run for 20 minutes and then play you a commercial about 
buying asap. Then it'll play the commercial again in 19 minutes, then in 
18, etc. Numbers may progres a bit faster--I don't recall.
 On Sun, 14 Oct 
2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I suppose
> with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left and
> right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with speakup
> edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed out,
> although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos support
> kind of sucks too.
> At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >Two suggestions:
> >
> >1.)	Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered 
> >copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com? It works 
> >well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
> >
> >2.)	Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
> >	Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
> >	Arrow to Option 5 -- General
> >	Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
> >	Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
> >
> >It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you need to 
> >reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's not a 
> >problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can just 
> >exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean to do 
> >anyway.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent 
> >Harding wrote:
> >
> >> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit files, the
> >> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried windows
> >> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
> >> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 	I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> >> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> >> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> >> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
> >> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
> >> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
> >> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> >> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 	FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> >> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
> >> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> >> >> that way.
> >> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel; security 
> >> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
> >> distributions 
> >> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't quite do so 
> >> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of security by 
> >> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes anyway.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 	Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> >> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> >> >Again, thank you for doing so.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 	I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> >> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> >> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
> >> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> >> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
> >> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> >> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
> >> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box with
> >> minicom 
> >> >to access the target machine...
> >> >> 
> >> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> >> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations
> Group
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
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> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
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> >
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> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
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> >
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Jared]

Jaws for dos from henter joice is free from there web sight not sure if you
could make use of it thoe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )


> asap is very much like speakup.
>
> The demo will run for 20 minutes and then play you a commercial about
> buying asap. Then it'll play the commercial again in 19 minutes, then in
> 18, etc. Numbers may progres a bit faster--I don't recall.
>  On Sun, 14 Oct
> 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
>
> > Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I suppose
> > with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left and
> > right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with speakup
> > edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed out,
> > although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos
support
> > kind of sucks too.
> > At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Two suggestions:
> > >
> > >1.) Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered
> > >copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com? It
works
> > >well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
> > >
> > >2.) Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
> > > Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
> > > Arrow to Option 5 -- General
> > > Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
> > > Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
> > >
> > >It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you need
to
> > >reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's not a
> > >problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can just
> > >exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean to do
> > >anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent
> > >Harding wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit files,
the
> > >> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried
windows
> > >> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
> > >> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> > >> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> > >> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> > >> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
> > >> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
> > >> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
> > >> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> > >> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> > >> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
> > >> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> > >> >> that way.
> > >> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel;
security
> > >> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
> > >> distributions
> > >> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't quite
do so
> > >> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of security
by
> > >> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes
anyway.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> > >> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> > >> >Again, thank you for doing so.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> > >> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> > >> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
> > >> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> > >> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
> > >> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> > >> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
> > >> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box
with
> > >> minicom
> > >> >to access the target machine...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
> > >> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network
Operations
> > Group
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> > >> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > >> >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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> > >> >Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > >> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Blinux-list mailing list
> > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >>
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > >http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > >Learn how to make accessible software at
> > >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >Blinux-list@redhat.com
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> > >
> > >
> >
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>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
>
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, it is free, but I've not had good experience with it out of the box.


On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Jared wrote:

> Jaws for dos from henter joice is free from there web sight not sure if you
> could make use of it thoe.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
> 
> 
> > asap is very much like speakup.
> >
> > The demo will run for 20 minutes and then play you a commercial about
> > buying asap. Then it'll play the commercial again in 19 minutes, then in
> > 18, etc. Numbers may progres a bit faster--I don't recall.
> >  On Sun, 14 Oct
> > 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
> >
> > > Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I suppose
> > > with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left and
> > > right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with speakup
> > > edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed out,
> > > although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos
> support
> > > kind of sucks too.
> > > At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Two suggestions:
> > > >
> > > >1.) Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered
> > > >copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com? It
> works
> > > >well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
> > > >
> > > >2.) Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
> > > > Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
> > > > Arrow to Option 5 -- General
> > > > Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
> > > > Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
> > > >
> > > >It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you need
> to
> > > >reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's not a
> > > >problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can just
> > > >exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean to do
> > > >anyway.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent
> > > >Harding wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit files,
> the
> > > >> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried
> windows
> > > >> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
> > > >> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> > > >> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> > > >> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> > > >> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed FreeBSD-4.3
> > > >> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the hang
> > > >> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your system
> > > >> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> > > >> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> > > >> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux does,
> > > >> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> > > >> >> that way.
> > > >> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel;
> security
> > > >> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
> > > >> distributions
> > > >> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't quite
> do so
> > > >> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of security
> by
> > > >> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes
> anyway.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> > > >> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> > > >> >Again, thank you for doing so.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> > > >> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> > > >> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with the
> > > >> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> > > >> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N, 8
> > > >> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> > > >> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
> > > >> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box
> with
> > > >> minicom
> > > >> >to access the target machine...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
> > > >> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network
> Operations
> > > Group
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> > > >> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > >> >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > >http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > >Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
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> > > >Blinux-list@redhat.com
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
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> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> >
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Jared]

What version? Also there is something called tinytalk if anyone wants it let
me know and I can send it to them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )


>
> Yes, it is free, but I've not had good experience with it out of the box.
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Jared wrote:
>
> > Jaws for dos from henter joice is free from there web sight not sure if
you
> > could make use of it thoe.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
> >
> >
> > > asap is very much like speakup.
> > >
> > > The demo will run for 20 minutes and then play you a commercial about
> > > buying asap. Then it'll play the commercial again in 19 minutes, then
in
> > > 18, etc. Numbers may progres a bit faster--I don't recall.
> > >  On Sun, 14 Oct
> > > 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I
suppose
> > > > with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left
and
> > > > right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with
speakup
> > > > edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed out,
> > > > although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos
> > support
> > > > kind of sucks too.
> > > > At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > >Two suggestions:
> > > > >
> > > > >1.) Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered
> > > > >copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com?
It
> > works
> > > > >well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
> > > > >
> > > > >2.) Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
> > > > > Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
> > > > > Arrow to Option 5 -- General
> > > > > Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
> > > > > Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
> > > > >
> > > > >It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you
need
> > to
> > > > >reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's not a
> > > > >problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can
just
> > > > >exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean to do
> > > > >anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent
> > > > >Harding wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit
files,
> > the
> > > > >> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried
> > windows
> > > > >> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
> > > > >> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > >> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick
<martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> > > > >> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> > > > >> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> > > > >> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed
FreeBSD-4.3
> > > > >> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the
hang
> > > > >> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your
system
> > > > >> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> > > > >> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> > > > >> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux
does,
> > > > >> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> > > > >> >> that way.
> > > > >> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel;
> > security
> > > > >> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
> > > > >> distributions
> > > > >> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't
quite
> > do so
> > > > >> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of
security
> > by
> > > > >> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes
> > anyway.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> > > > >> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> > > > >> >Again, thank you for doing so.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> > > > >> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> > > > >> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with
the
> > > > >> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> > > > >> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N,
8
> > > > >> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> > > > >> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
> > > > >> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box
> > with
> > > > >> minicom
> > > > >> >to access the target machine...
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
> > > > >> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network
> > Operations
> > > > Group
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > >> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > >> >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >_______________________________________________
> > > > >> >Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > >> >Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > >> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > >
> > > > >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > >http://www.openebook.org
> > > > >
> > > > >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > > >
> > > > >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin
Luther
> > > > >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > > >
> > > > >Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >_______________________________________________
> > > > >Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > >Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
> >
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> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Redhat Serial Installation (Was Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix ) )

[Tim Pennick]

While we're on the subject of serial installations, has anyone managed to do
this with Red Hat?  I've read th installation stuff, part of which says that
you can just type 'linux console=/dev/ttys0' at the boot prompt, but I didn't
manage to get this working, possibly because I didn't have the right cable.
I've since tried to get my now working Linux system to start listening for a
login on the serial port, but I can't work out what is the correct 'getty'
program to run to get this set up.  Red Hat seems to come with 'agetty' but
doesn't have a manual page for this, so I haven't been able to work out how it
works.

Regards,

Tim Pennick

Re: Redhat Serial Installation (Was Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix ) )

[Watanabe Katsuaki]

 Hi Tim, i AM kATSUAKI.
>you can just type 'linux console=/dev/ttys0' at the boot prompt, but I didn't
>manage to get this working, possibly because I didn't have the right cable.

 i can install RedHat successfully, type like this:
text console=ttyS0

Try it.
Be careful, when you type ttyS0 the character 'S' is capital.

Good luck.
Sayonara.
---------------------------------------------
   Katsuaki Watanabe
   E-mail:katsuaki@watakatsu.com
   URL:http://www.watakatsu.com/

Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[philwh]

I use jaws for dos with commo version 7.7
with great success.
I have written several macros that helps it work with lynx if
anyone is interested.
I have it track the highlight instead of using the numbered links in lynx.
If anyone needs help with jaws for dos, just ask, I am
very familar with it, and worked on its development
back in 1990/1991.



phil

Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Jude DaShiell]

Tinytalk is shareware.  provox 7 can be downloaded as can its source code
too

http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
When you get there choose software and you'll find it.
AT S0=0 S7=180 E1 Q0 V1 X4 &C1 &D2

Jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net>

Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Janina Sajka]

The release version is the last, I believe, and unchanged since it went 
freeware some years ago. I was never a JAWS for DOS user so certainly 
don't know about any of its power features. All I'm saying is that I have 
not been particularly successful when I've tried to use it, mainly because 
it is free, in PC Console sessions under Windows for tasks like telnet 
from the K95 suite. In my experience, asap talks right out of the box 
without tweaks. Perhaps there are settings to apply to JAWS for DOS which 
will cause it do as well, but I certainly don't know them.
 On Sun, 14 Oct 
2001, Jared wrote:

> What version? Also there is something called tinytalk if anyone wants it let
> me know and I can send it to them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
> 
> 
> >
> > Yes, it is free, but I've not had good experience with it out of the box.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Jared wrote:
> >
> > > Jaws for dos from henter joice is free from there web sight not sure if
> you
> > > could make use of it thoe.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
> > >
> > >
> > > > asap is very much like speakup.
> > > >
> > > > The demo will run for 20 minutes and then play you a commercial about
> > > > buying asap. Then it'll play the commercial again in 19 minutes, then
> in
> > > > 18, etc. Numbers may progres a bit faster--I don't recall.
> > > >  On Sun, 14 Oct
> > > > 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I
> suppose
> > > > > with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left
> and
> > > > > right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with
> speakup
> > > > > edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed out,
> > > > > although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos
> > > support
> > > > > kind of sucks too.
> > > > > At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > >Two suggestions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >1.) Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered
> > > > > >copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com?
> It
> > > works
> > > > > >well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >2.) Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
> > > > > > Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
> > > > > > Arrow to Option 5 -- General
> > > > > > Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
> > > > > > Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
> > > > > >
> > > > > >It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you
> need
> > > to
> > > > > >reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's not a
> > > > > >problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can
> just
> > > > > >exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean to do
> > > > > >anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent
> > > > > >Harding wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit
> files,
> > > the
> > > > > >> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried
> > > windows
> > > > > >> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
> > > > > >> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > >> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick
> <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> > > > > >> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a little
> > > > > >> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> > > > > >> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed
> FreeBSD-4.3
> > > > > >> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the
> hang
> > > > > >> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your
> system
> > > > > >> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> > > > > >> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> > > > > >> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux
> does,
> > > > > >> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> > > > > >> >> that way.
> > > > > >> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel;
> > > security
> > > > > >> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
> > > > > >> distributions
> > > > > >> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't
> quite
> > > do so
> > > > > >> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of
> security
> > > by
> > > > > >> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes
> > > anyway.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> > > > > >> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> > > > > >> >Again, thank you for doing so.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> > > > > >> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> > > > > >> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with
> the
> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> > > > > >> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N,
> 8
> > > > > >> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to the
> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
> > > > > >> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux box
> > > with
> > > > > >> minicom
> > > > > >> >to access the target machine...
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
> > > > > >> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network
> > > Operations
> > > > > Group
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > >> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > > >> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > >> >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >_______________________________________________
> > > > > >> >Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > > >> >Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > >> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > >> Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > > >http://www.openebook.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > > >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin
> Luther
> > > > > >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > > >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > > >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >_______________________________________________
> > > > > >Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > > >Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> >
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: Redhat Serial Installation (Was Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix ) )

[L. C. Robinson]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Tim Pennick wrote:

> I've since tried to get my now working Linux system to start listening for a
> login on the serial port, but I can't work out what is the correct 'getty'
> program to run to get this set up.  Red Hat seems to come with 'agetty' but
> doesn't have a manual page for this, so I haven't been able to work out how it
> works.

I don't see any "agetty" on my RH system.  The one to use is just "getty",
with a line near the end of /etc/inittab similar to the following (change
as necessary):

t0:345:respawn:/sbin/getty -r1 ttyS0 DT9600

Note the "-r1" is added to prevent certain respawning problems with
some terminals, but you must press return to get a login prompt.

LCR

-- 
L. C. Robinson
reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid

People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html

Re: Redhat Serial Installation (Was Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix ) )

[Janina Sajka]

It's possible that the 'linux' command is the wrong element. Check a 
directory listing to see what the kernel's name actually is. It's likely 
to be vmlinuz, for example.
 On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Tim Pennick wrote:

> 
> While we're on the subject of serial installations, has anyone managed to do
> this with Red Hat?  I've read th installation stuff, part of which says that
> you can just type 'linux console=/dev/ttys0' at the boot prompt, but I didn't
> manage to get this working, possibly because I didn't have the right cable.
> I've since tried to get my now working Linux system to start listening for a
> login on the serial port, but I can't work out what is the correct 'getty'
> program to run to get this set up.  Red Hat seems to come with 'agetty' but
> doesn't have a manual page for this, so I haven't been able to work out how it
> works.
> 
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> 
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Brent Harding]

This is for win telnet? Windows telnet has an annoying problem of repeating
past lines, cygwin and ve are OK, have yet to try it with Asap demo for a
quick fix until my linux stuff is fixed up, gotta get a couple RPM's and
use slackware boot disks to mount the fat32 system, but Bill's site with
7.1 stuff seems to be slow, guess he's transfering files to the real
speakup site, but 7.1 is missing there. I could maybe rsync my iso image of
7.1 to 7.2 by dd'ing the CD to a file, but wwhether I'd be downloading more
than the original anyways, not sure.

>The release version is the last, I believe, and unchanged since it went 
>freeware some years ago. I was never a JAWS for DOS user so certainly 
>don't know about any of its power features. All I'm saying is that I have 
>not been particularly successful when I've tried to use it, mainly because 
>it is free, in PC Console sessions under Windows for tasks like telnet 
>from the K95 suite. In my experience, asap talks right out of the box 
>without tweaks. Perhaps there are settings to apply to JAWS for DOS which 
>will cause it do as well, but I certainly don't know them.
> On Sun, 14 Oct 
>2001, Jared wrote:
>
>> What version? Also there is something called tinytalk if anyone wants it
let
>> me know and I can send it to them.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > Yes, it is free, but I've not had good experience with it out of the box.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Jared wrote:
>> >
>> > > Jaws for dos from henter joice is free from there web sight not sure if
>> you
>> > > could make use of it thoe.
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>> > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:42 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > asap is very much like speakup.
>> > > >
>> > > > The demo will run for 20 minutes and then play you a commercial about
>> > > > buying asap. Then it'll play the commercial again in 19 minutes, then
>> in
>> > > > 18, etc. Numbers may progres a bit faster--I don't recall.
>> > > >  On Sun, 14 Oct
>> > > > 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I
>> suppose
>> > > > > with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left
>> and
>> > > > > right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with
>> speakup
>> > > > > edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed
out,
>> > > > > although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos
>> > > support
>> > > > > kind of sucks too.
>> > > > > At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
>> > > > > >Two suggestions:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >1.) Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered
>> > > > > >copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com?
>> It
>> > > works
>> > > > > >well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >2.) Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
>> > > > > > Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
>> > > > > > Arrow to Option 5 -- General
>> > > > > > Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
>> > > > > > Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you
>> need
>> > > to
>> > > > > >reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's
not a
>> > > > > >problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can
>> just
>> > > > > >exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean
to do
>> > > > > >anyway.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent
>> > > > > >Harding wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit
>> files,
>> > > the
>> > > > > >> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried
>> > > windows
>> > > > > >> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
>> > > > > >> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>> > > > > >> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick
>> <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >> I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
>> > > > > >> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a
little
>> > > > > >> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
>> > > > > >> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed
>> FreeBSD-4.3
>> > > > > >> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the
>> hang
>> > > > > >> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your
>> system
>> > > > > >> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
>> > > > > >> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
>> > > > > >> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux
>> does,
>> > > > > >> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
>> > > > > >> >> that way.
>> > > > > >> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel;
>> > > security
>> > > > > >> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
>> > > > > >> distributions
>> > > > > >> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't
>> quite
>> > > do so
>> > > > > >> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of
>> security
>> > > by
>> > > > > >> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes
>> > > anyway.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
>> > > > > >> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
>> > > > > >> >Again, thank you for doing so.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
>> > > > > >> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
>> > > > > >> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with
>> the
>> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
>> > > > > >> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N,
>> 8
>> > > > > >> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to
the
>> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
>> > > > > >> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux
box
>> > > with
>> > > > > >> minicom
>> > > > > >> >to access the target machine...
>> > > > > >> >>
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Re: Redhat Serial Installation (Was Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix ) )

[Brent Harding]

Aren't there commented out lines there already? Does it work the same for
modem autoanswering, heard ppp can be done this way, setting up each user
account with linuxconf for the right additions to proper files, although
uucp doesn't look that simple, for the client end to get mail with it.
At 08:59 PM 10/15/01 -0600, you wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Tim Pennick wrote:
>
>> I've since tried to get my now working Linux system to start listening
for a
>> login on the serial port, but I can't work out what is the correct 'getty'
>> program to run to get this set up.  Red Hat seems to come with 'agetty' but
>> doesn't have a manual page for this, so I haven't been able to work out
how it
>> works.
>
>I don't see any "agetty" on my RH system.  The one to use is just "getty",
>with a line near the end of /etc/inittab similar to the following (change
>as necessary):
>
>t0:345:respawn:/sbin/getty -r1 ttyS0 DT9600
>
>Note the "-r1" is added to prevent certain respawning problems with
>some terminals, but you must press return to get a login prompt.
>
>LCR
>
>-- 
>L. C. Robinson
>reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid
>
>People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
>instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
>out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
>"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html
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Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )

[Janina Sajka]

windows telnet is not a console app. For some dumb reason, it's a windows 
app.
Therefore, it requires a Windows screen reader.

Wouldn't advise rsynch of 7.2 against 7.1 There are a lot of changes, as I 
understand.

The boot floppy is not an issue, though. You can safely use the basic 
boot.img from any of the 7.x for any of the others. Once the kernel is 
running the install proceeds from files not on the floppy anyway. The 
floppy is just to get things going.

 On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Brent Harding 
wrote:

> This is for win telnet? Windows telnet has an annoying problem of repeating
> past lines, cygwin and ve are OK, have yet to try it with Asap demo for a
> quick fix until my linux stuff is fixed up, gotta get a couple RPM's and
> use slackware boot disks to mount the fat32 system, but Bill's site with
> 7.1 stuff seems to be slow, guess he's transfering files to the real
> speakup site, but 7.1 is missing there. I could maybe rsync my iso image of
> 7.1 to 7.2 by dd'ing the CD to a file, but wwhether I'd be downloading more
> than the original anyways, not sure.
> 
> >The release version is the last, I believe, and unchanged since it went 
> >freeware some years ago. I was never a JAWS for DOS user so certainly 
> >don't know about any of its power features. All I'm saying is that I have 
> >not been particularly successful when I've tried to use it, mainly because 
> >it is free, in PC Console sessions under Windows for tasks like telnet 
> >from the K95 suite. In my experience, asap talks right out of the box 
> >without tweaks. Perhaps there are settings to apply to JAWS for DOS which 
> >will cause it do as well, but I certainly don't know them.
> > On Sun, 14 Oct 
> >2001, Jared wrote:
> >
> >> What version? Also there is something called tinytalk if anyone wants it
> let
> >> me know and I can send it to them.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> >> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:14 PM
> >> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > Yes, it is free, but I've not had good experience with it out of the box.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Jared wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Jaws for dos from henter joice is free from there web sight not sure if
> >> you
> >> > > could make use of it thoe.
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> >> > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:42 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix )
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > asap is very much like speakup.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The demo will run for 20 minutes and then play you a commercial about
> >> > > > buying asap. Then it'll play the commercial again in 19 minutes, then
> >> in
> >> > > > 18, etc. Numbers may progres a bit faster--I don't recall.
> >> > > >  On Sun, 14 Oct
> >> > > > 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Does the asap demo pretty much work like speakup for editing? I
> >> suppose
> >> > > > > with ve, it's got cursor keys mixed up, so when I arrow around left
> >> and
> >> > > > > right fast enough it repeats the letter, but linux telnet with
> >> speakup
> >> > > > > edits like linux at physical console. VE still works when timed
> out,
> >> > > > > although you lose review mode and the like, but paying huge for dos
> >> > > support
> >> > > > > kind of sucks too.
> >> > > > > At 02:39 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >> > > > > >Two suggestions:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >1.) Since you're using a demo of Vocal-Eyes, and not a registered
> >> > > > > >copy, why not go get the asap demo from http://www.microtalk.com?
> >> It
> >> > > works
> >> > > > > >well with PC Console apps without tweaks;
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >2.) Try turning Revector checking on in Vocal-Eyes. Do:
> >> > > > > > Ctrl-Backslash to enter the VE Control Panel;
> >> > > > > > Arrow to Option 5 -- General
> >> > > > > > Arrow to Option 13 -- Advanced
> >> > > > > > Arrow to Option 3 -- Revector
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >It will be off by default. Turn it on. It will tell you that you
> >> need
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > >reboot after using VE with this setting turned on, but that's
> not a
> >> > > > > >problem when running in a DOS Window under Windows because you can
> >> just
> >> > > > > >exit the DOS session and restart--something you probably mean
> to do
> >> > > > > >anyway.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Brent
> >> > > > > >Harding wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> I've been using cygwin a little while, I find it hard to edit
> >> files,
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > >> demo of vocal-eyes I have doesn't track the screen well, tried
> >> > > windows
> >> > > > > >> telnet, equally not good, but cygwin responds a little better.
> >> > > > > >> At 11:49 AM 10/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >> > > > > >> >On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick
> >> <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> >> I have been behind on reading Email this Summer, but I
> >> > > > > >> >> just read the discussion concerning FreeBSD.  This is a
> little
> >> > > > > >> >> off-topic because FreeBSD isn't Linux, but it is open-source,
> >> > > > > >> >> free, and very robust.  This last Summer, I installed
> >> FreeBSD-4.3
> >> > > > > >> >> on four IBM Netfinity servers.  It took me a bit to get the
> >> hang
> >> > > > > >> >> of the process, but it is extremely blind-friendly if your
> >> system
> >> > > > > >> >> has at least one serial port and that port functions as Com1.
> >> > > > > >> >Thanks a lot for your report; that's very interesting.
> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD is just another fine open-source choice we have.
> >> > > > > >> >> I think it has much better security by default than Linux
> >> does,
> >> > > > > >> >> but Linux can be quite secure if you take the time to make it
> >> > > > > >> >> that way.
> >> > > > > >> >Well, actually, let's not forget that linux is just the kernel;
> >> > > security
> >> > > > > >> >level varies greatly between the different distributions. Also,
> >> > > > > >> distributions
> >> > > > > >> >like Redhat who are trying to become more user friendly can't
> >> quite
> >> > > do so
> >> > > > > >> >without sacrificing security a little. I think the level of
> >> security
> >> > > by
> >> > > > > >> >default also does differ amongst the different BSD based OSes
> >> > > anyway.
> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > >> >> Anyway, I figured I would share my experiences with the
> >> > > > > >> >> rest of the list regarding FreeBSD.
> >> > > > > >> >Again, thank you for doing so.
> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > >> >> I probably should amend what I said at the first.  If
> >> > > > > >> >> you have a Windows P.C. and JAWS or any of the other Windows
> >> > > > > >> >> screen readers, that will also work fine to communicate with
> >> the
> >> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD system's serial port.  Your Windows terminal program
> >> > > > > >> >> should emulate a VT100 and the Comm port needs to be 9600, N,
> >> 8
> >> > > > > >> >> and 1 in order to work with the remote console built in to
> the
> >> > > > > >> >> FreeBSD installation disk.
> >> > > > > >> >Hey, you've forgotten linux! :) You could easily use a linux
> box
> >> > > with
> >> > > > > >> minicom
> >> > > > > >> >to access the target machine...
> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > >> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
> >> > > > > >> >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network
> >> > > Operations
> >> > > > > Group
> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > >> >>
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> >> > > >
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> >> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
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> >> > Technology Research and Development
> >> > Governmental Relations Group
> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >
> >> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> > http://www.openebook.org
> >> >
> >> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >> >
> >> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >> >
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> >	
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: Redhat Serial Installation (Was Re: FreeBSD Access (Was Re: ultrasonix ) )

[L. C. Robinson]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> It's possible that the 'linux' command is the wrong element.
> Check a directory listing to see what the kernel's name
> actually is. It's likely to be vmlinuz, for example.

RedHat does indeed install a symlink called /boot/vmlinuz to the
actual installed kernel image, but that doesn't matter if the
lilo.conf file has a line that says "label=linux".  I always add
a line that says "alias=L" too, for convenience.  The Red Hat
installation manual says to use "linux", and that's right unless
you relabel it yourself in /etc/lilo.conf.  You also need to add
the "text" parameter, as indicated in the manual section I quoted
in the other message I sent today.  And don't forget to use a
capital "S" in the port name, as another poster pointed out.

BTW, lilo will list the kernel labels at the boot prompt, if you
press tab.  Also, the installation disks use syslinux, instead
of lilo, but similar rules apply for all the different boot
loaders, where boot parameters are concerned.

>  On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Tim Pennick wrote:
>
> >
> > While we're on the subject of serial installations, has
> > anyone managed to do this with Red Hat?  I've read th
> > installation stuff, part of which says that you can just type
> > 'linux console=/dev/ttys0' at the boot prompt, but I didn't
> >...

-- 
L. C. Robinson
reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid

People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html