Re: Installing emacs

Re: Installing emacs

[brent harding]

Can't you just remove everything that depends on it, as we can't use
anything that uses it's interface anyways.
At 06:06 PM 7/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Cheryl,
>
>Here is what I did to get emacspeak to work.
>
>1) deleted my existing version of Xenis emacs that came with my Caldera
system.
>2) Downl9oaded and installed Gnu Emacs version 20.5 from www.emacs.org
>   (note I used congiure with NO options so default was to include X
capability)
>3) Installed emacspeak
>4) configured emacspeak to use Dectalk Express.
>
>Now, if you are using a Doubletalk then obvciously step 4
>will be different.  I suggest you check with the emacspeak  
>mailing list and with the emacspeak website for the precide details
>of the speech synthesizer installation. I know there are a lot of
>speech devices now supported on emacspeak so it probably wont be 
>too difficut once you have the basic emacs and emacspeak programs
>installed.   
>
>I notice that even with X support included, Gnu Emacs comes up nicely
>in the text based environment.  I do have X11 installed on my system even
>though I don't run the X server.  Too darned many things depend on its being
>there so it is better to have it even if you don't want to run X.
>
>
>Rudy
>
>
>
>
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>> This is getting ridiculous!  First I am told to install
>> emacsbin.tgz.  Then I am told to install emacsnox.tgz too.  Now I'm told
>> to install x.  When you people all get it figured it out, some one let me
>> know.  And I'm not appologizing for my attitude, either.
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 brianls@home.com wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi Cheryl,
>> > 
>> > Here's the poop on emacs.  Using emacspeak with the 'nox' version of
>> > emacs has historically had problems.  It's a good idea to install the
>> > standard version.  The standard version uses certain pieces of the X
>> > Window System distribution.  Because of this, you'll need to install X
>> > as well.  Of course, this doesn't mean you'll have to run X in order
>> > to use emacspeak.
>> > 
>> > Good luck,
>> > 
>> > Brian.
>> > >>>>> "Cheryl" == Cheryl Homiak <chomiak@worldfront.com> writes:
>> > 
>> >   Cheryl> I am trying to add emacs to my zipspeak--version 7.1
>> >   Cheryl> zipspeak. I asked this question last week on the newbie list
>> >   Cheryl> last week but still have no answer so am retrying with both
>> >   Cheryl> lists.
>> > 
>> >   >> From chomiak@worldfront.com Sun Jul 9 17:20:36 2000
>> >   Cheryl> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheryl
>> >   Cheryl> Homiak <chomiak@worldfront.com> To: Blinux-newbie
>> >   Cheryl> <blinux-newbie@egroups.com> Subject: emacs package
>> > 
>> >   Cheryl> I installed emacsbin.tgz, though I haven't installed
>> >   Cheryl> emacspeak yet, and I'm concerned that I may have installed
>> >   Cheryl> the wrong package. I noticed at the time that there is also
>> >   Cheryl> a emacnox.tgz, but had understood that emacsbin.tgz was what
>> >   Cheryl> I wanted. However, I see in packages.txt in the
>> >   Cheryl> slackware-7.1 directory that this version of emacs supports
>> >   Cheryl> Windows. The description says that if I do not have windows
>> >   Cheryl> I must also install the replacement for emacs-20.7 in
>> >   Cheryl> /usr/bin. Do I have to remove this whole package and install
>> >   Cheryl> another, or is there another package I can get to add to
>> >   Cheryl> this one. I did search the packages.txt for emacs20.7 for no
>> >   Cheryl> xwindows, but emacsnox was the closest I could find. If
>> >   Cheryl> emacsbin.tgz is the wrong package I may need some tips on
>> >   Cheryl> how to remove it, but I don't want to do anything
>> >   Cheryl> prematurely. If anybody can clear up my confusion here, I
>> >   Cheryl> would appreciate it.-- I also am still not confident that I
>> >   Cheryl> know which package I need to install to make emacspeak work
>> >   Cheryl> with my doubletalk-lt, though I have downloaded the
>> >   Cheryl> emacspeak12.0 package.
>> > 
>> >   Cheryl> Cheryl
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >   Cheryl> Cheryl
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: Installing emacs

[brent harding]

That's why the howtos are tough for anything I want to do, because I don't
know, in debian which script to initialize bootup things from, especially,
if I ever decide to network, to transfer files between my computer and my
laptop, or for better net access, or both, there's only a configuration for
this stuff on install, and I'm well beyond install, with many more files
than the base system came with, wonder if I should switch from exim to
sendmail, so I can have multiple alias files, at least the howtos for mail
related stuff seems geared towards sendmail, exim is somewhat compatible,
but not the config file, a default debian install seems to not allow
connections on localhost, as I tested my own telnet service with telnet
localhost, and it said no route to host, I use the same hostname as
zipspeak, so I've copied over it's /etc/hosts, /etc/hosts.allow, and
/etc/hosts.deny, as otherwise it seemed to be the ultimate firewall, not
allowing much of any inbound connection, although ipchains wasn't set up,
don't remember what the fix was, but it works now, I don't want to delete
and reinstall just to add something like a net card to the system, if that
becomes necessary. All the howtos seem to be geared towards redhat
specifically, making new scripts may not load stuff at the right time in
the bootup, if I make new files in /etc/init.d.

Re: Installing emacs

[Dave Hunt <Dave Hunt]

Maybe it was "tcl/tk" I was refering to?  If you've installed "tcl"
and "tclx", you're covered.  Also, it's a good idea to install
"emacsinfo.tgz" and "emacslisp.tgz".  The first is the hypertext
documentation for Emacs and some of its extensions.  The installation
process for Emacspeak will add to this collection.  The second is the
lisp source code for the emacs extensions.  Not sure it's needed, but
"better to have and not need than to need and not have".:-)

A list of required and suggested packages is a wonderful idea!  Such
lists should, at least, be in the 'README' and the Emacspeak how-to.
Maybe there can be some distribution-specific instructions, at least
for Redhat, Slackware, and Debian?

--  Dave  --


Cheryl Homiak writes:
 > Ok, I got the tclx.tgz and tcl.tgz, but I'll have to go find the
 > tec.tgz.  Never heard of it till now.  It would be nice if somebody just
 > made a list of all these needed packages with installation information and
 > put them in a how-to.  Maybe someday when I know more I will make that my
 > project.
 > 
 > Cheryl
 > 
 > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Dave Hunt <Dave Hunt wrote:
 > 
 > > Cheryl, I fortot:
 > > 
 > > Also get the 'tec.tgz' and 'tclx-tgz' packages from the 'tcl' package
 > > directory.
 > > 
 > > -Dave
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Cheryl Homiak writes:
 > >  > Ok, Gary, but I obviously still need to add/change something.  When I
 > >  > tried to run emacs after installing the emacsbin.tgz package, I got an
 > >  > error about "unable to open" and it involved not being able to find files
 > >  > which I assume are part of x.  So what do I do to run this without x?
 > >  > 
 > >  > Cheryl
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
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Re: Installing emacs

[Dave Hunt <Dave Hunt]

Cheryl:

Many thanks for all your kind words.  My memories of all the
frustration of getting Emacspeak to work are fresh.  I still have some
work to do with the emacs w3 client.  that's for another suite of
messages.  The file including the doubletalk server is
"emacspeak-ss-1.7.tar.gz".  You'll find it in the blinux file archive.

--  Dave  --

Re: Installing emacs

[brent harding]

All this is is some shared libraries that x programs can depend on, but are
often not needed when using emacs through emacspeak, or realplayer through
trplayer, it's just something to satisfy dependencies, if I were to
uninstall linux, any package that starts with x besides xbin and xlib can
be eliminated, you probably don't need x-free86, although I have it, in an
unconfigured state, which is fine to get real player going.
At 08:03 PM 7/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Cheryl:
>
>You need to install the packages 'xbin.tgz', and 'xlib.tgz', both are
>in the 'x1' packages area in the Slackware distribution.
>
>--  Dave  --
>
>
>Cheryl Homiak writes:
> > Ok, Gary, but I obviously still need to add/change something.  When I
> > tried to run emacs after installing the emacsbin.tgz package, I got an
> > error about "unable to open" and it involved not being able to find files
> > which I assume are part of x.  So what do I do to run this without x?
> > 
> > Cheryl
> > 
> > 
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Re: Installing emacs

[Victor Tsaran]

The file should be called something like emacspeak-ss-1.5.tar.gz. Simply go
to ftp:/leb.net/pub/blinux and look there.
Regards,
Vic

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From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@worldfront.com>
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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Installing emacs


> Dave Hunt, you have my undying gratitude!  If I can ever do anything for
> you--anything at all--you only have to ask!  Installed xlib.tgz and
> xbin.tgz.  No more errors; got the welcome screen.
> Now, if somebody can just give me the exact name of the package that has
> doubletalk-lt support for emacspeak12.0, I can finish this.  I downloaded
> a file from the Vanzant (excuse speeling) page, but it says "real
> audio" so I think it's wrong.
> I know I could get help installing this from grassroots, but really want
> to finish it myself.  So if anybody knows the name of that file, please
> send me the information.
> Thanks again so very much, Dave Hunt.
>
> Cheryl
>
>
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