Re: new first or after quotes

Re: new first or after quotes

[Jim Stevenson]

On most of the lists primarily for the blind, the usual etiquette is to
put new comments first, unless giving specific answers to several questions.

Most screen readers do NOT have the ability to ignore lines starting with >.

When I get a long quote, followed by a short quip like me too, 
I usually reply as follows.



I appreciate your new contribution, and find it helpful.

For those of us using speech or Braille to sort out your new comments 
from the quotes, with out listening to the quotes again, it makes it much easier
if you do not follow your comments with quoted signature files and tag lines.
Such embedding defeats the usual strategy of going to the end, and searching
back for the last >. 
Multiple levels of nested quoting, interspersed with new comments,
are especially difficult to sort out with speech. 

Better yet, if possible, it makes it even easier if you can make your comments
fit in before any quotes.

Thanks.

Re: new first or after quotes

[Bryan Smart]

I try to quote in the Usenet style, but, realizing that blind people are
often hearing the entire text from a screen reader that can't skip the
quoted region, make an effort to keep the quoted segments as short as
possible.  I feel that in text quoting is useful in keeping a person's
reply writing on track, rather than having it degenerate into unrelated
threads, as is often the case with free form replies at the top.

Best,
Bryan

At 08:15 AM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>On most of the lists primarily for the blind, the usual etiquette is to
>put new comments first, unless giving specific answers to several questions.
>
>Most screen readers do NOT have the ability to ignore lines starting with >.
>
>When I get a long quote, followed by a short quip like me too, 
>I usually reply as follows.
>
>
>
>I appreciate your new contribution, and find it helpful.
>
>For those of us using speech or Braille to sort out your new comments 
>from the quotes, with out listening to the quotes again, it makes it much
easier
>if you do not follow your comments with quoted signature files and tag lines.
>Such embedding defeats the usual strategy of going to the end, and searching
>back for the last >. 
>Multiple levels of nested quoting, interspersed with new comments,
>are especially difficult to sort out with speech. 
>
>Better yet, if possible, it makes it even easier if you can make your
comments
>fit in before any quotes.
>
>Thanks.
>
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Re: new first or after quotes

[Ron Marriage]

I'm not sure there is a Usenet style.  Some groups do want messages quoted
first, others want only the mearest details quoted, still others want the
message answered with the quoted portion last.  I have even belonged to
groups that wanted the messages with multiple questions or points quoted
with each point, answered, then the next quote and answer, etc.

If given a choice, I prefer the new messages in a thread then the quoted
material.
This way, I don't have to have my screen reader read through tons of old
material to get to the one or two lines that are new.

Ron 

At 02:02 AM 4/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I try to quote in the Usenet style, but, realizing that blind people are
>often hearing the entire text from a screen reader that can't skip the
>quoted region, make an effort to keep the quoted segments as short as
>possible.  I feel that in text quoting is useful in keeping a person's
>reply writing on track, rather than having it degenerate into unrelated
>threads, as is often the case with free form replies at the top.
>
>Best,
>Bryan


Ron Marriage
E-Mail:   marriage@seidata.com
Homepage; http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/

Re: new first or after quotes

[Toby Fisher]

Ron.

The only problem with putting quoted material first, and I do accept your point
about not wanting to hear all the old stuff, is that
surely it must get confusing, if you're subswcribed to a group/list which has a lot of
posts to a particular thread?  This is especially the case if you're using a
reader that can't thread articles.

Just my twopence.


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