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Which one is best? Message-ID: <20200301173057.GA14419@abilitiessoft> References: <20200301111759.GA12551@abilitiessoft> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of john@godtouches.org designates 66.170.1.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=john@godtouches.org X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id 021HV4o5032539 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:31:04 -0000 Hello, Thanks for all your suggestions. I have Debian Buster, command-line only. I may just wait until the next Debian testing is available and see if they include Mate. I will be using brltty, and no speech. This leaves one concern in my original message for discussion. I want Debian to boot into the command-line, but I want to have a command or script for starting the GUI when I need it. Thanks, John J. Boyer On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 01:54:07PM +0000, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Best I can tell, Mate 1.24 is currently available in both Debian > Testing(aka Bull's Eye which will eventually become Debian 11) and > Debian Unstable(aka Sid). > > It's unlikely something as big as a new version of Mate will make it > into Debian 9 aka Stretch or oldstable or Debian 10 aka Buster or > Stable as Debian priortizes stability over cutting edge, though it > might make it into backports(more likely for Buster than for Stretch, > but I confess to not knowing how long Debian supports Oldstable when a > new Stable is released). > > That said, while Orca, the primary, and possibly only, graphical > screen reader for Linux, is officially part of Gnome and persumably > optimized for that environment, and probably works so well with Mate > due to Mate's origins as a Gnome fork(as I understand it, Gnome 3 > brought many controversial changes to look and feel and Mate startedas > a way to keep the Gnome 2.x look and feel in an updated environment), > Orca should, in theory, be able to work with any GTK-based Desktop > Environment or Window Manager, though anything QT-based(KDE chief > among them) is currently a bit hit or miss. > > Gnome or Mate might be the best options for a beginner as they're the > most well documented DEs for using them with Orca, but Knoppix using a > combination of LXDE and Orca when launching a full Desktop seems to > work well, and I've heard people have had success with the ratpoison > window Manager. > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost