Ebrowse?

Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi folks,
I want to try using ebrowse to reach places at Paypal for which Elinks 
will no longer work.
Is there a command  options, desired website syntax I can use?
We have the program here  at shellworld, with my not needing to use it 
until recently.
thanks,
Karen

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

 Karen I am not totally sure what you are asking.
How to start the program?
Just type:
edbrowse www.whatever.com
or
edbrowse filename
or edbrowse -h
for the switches.

I use it every day and love the program.
 

On Oct 27, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:

Hi folks,
I want to try using ebrowse to reach places at Paypal for which Elinks will no longer work.
Is there a command  options, desired website syntax I can use?
We have the program here  at shellworld, with my not needing to use it until recently.
thanks,
Karen


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Re: Ebrowse?

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	I am running Debian stretch on an elderly Dell Dimension
and just installed edbrowse with no apparent issues.  It was just

apt-get install edbrowse

and the man page for it says that it does javascript.  I
absolutely love lynx which, of course does not do javascript and
I have access to a gui browser in the form of safari so my
question can best be summed up as, Is this useful on a
command-line system?

	This is the system I do email and casual web browsing on.
Lynx works perfectly on the bard web site but I kind of hate to
have all my eggs for a javascript browser in one basket which is
safari on the Mac and iPad.  It's a good platform but it is nice
to have alternatives if one of those systems blows up.

	So, how do those of you who already use edbrowse like it?
Have you used it on sites with lots of javascript?

	I have heard of edbrowse before but if I ever used it, it
might have been at work a long time ago.

Martin McCormick

Re: Ebrowse?

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The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not attempt to do all javascript.
It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and maintained by blind people.
Such software usually works better for me.

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Interesting. Where can we find more information, like contact 
information, about the blind persons that created edbrowse?


Thanks,


Fernando



On 10/28/2018 04:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not attempt to do all javascript.
> It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and maintained by blind people.
> Such software usually works better for me.
>
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Re: Ebrowse?

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http://eklhad.net/

is the home page for edbrowse and several other of Carl's interesting
items.
I tried building edbrowse on slint which is a fork of slackware and
couldn't do it.  The build went very far but apparently slint has
readline and ncurses not properly linked or not linked at all.
I have used this on archlinux and on debian and on those systems had no
problem and no need to build edbrowse either.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:45:09
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Ebrowse?
>
> Interesting. Where can we find more information, like contact information,
> about the blind persons that created edbrowse?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
> On 10/28/2018 04:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not attempt to do
> > all javascript.
> > It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and maintained
> > by blind people.
> > Such software usually works better for me.
> >
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Re: Ebrowse?

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granted there may be some question about how the program is setup here at 
shellworld, or changes I need to make with configuration.
still, indeed that was part of my question.
For example typing
edbrowse filename got me a converting to utf8  line with no text at all.
typing
edbrowse www.paypal.com/history
produces a no newlines  statement with  numbers.
none of which translates into anything useful.
so perhaps seeking out a manual will help  since it is clearly here.
was  surprised that the -h  command did not produce the option to exit the 
program either.
Kare


On Sat, 27 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Karen I am not totally sure what you are asking.
> How to start the program?
> Just type:
> edbrowse www.whatever.com
> or
> edbrowse filename
> or edbrowse -h
> for the switches.
>
> I use it every day and love the program.
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> I want to try using ebrowse to reach places at Paypal for which Elinks will no longer work.
> Is there a command  options, desired website syntax I can use?
> We have the program here  at shellworld, with my not needing to use it until recently.
> thanks,
> Karen
>
>
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Re: Ebrowse?

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Well Fernando-and-All: Here seems to be a current address to write Karl
eklhad@comcast.net
Many years ago around 2004 Karl made a Jupiter Speech System. His Linux distro 
like Edbrows is a line reader, not a screen-reader as Speakup or YASR are. A 
really nice thing about Jupiter was it had an exception dictionary. 
Hope some or all of that helps.
Chime

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Speaking personally, I am more concerned by the suggestion that one 
individual with a label associated with their score on an eye chart can 
create  something that automatically works for everyone with whom they 
share that label..out of the box specifically.
program is not producing anything meaningful for me so far.



On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Interesting. Where can we find more information, like contact information, 
> about the blind persons that created edbrowse?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
> On 10/28/2018 04:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>  The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not attempt to
>>  do all javascript.
>>  It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and
>>  maintained by blind people.
>>  Such software usually works better for me.
>> 
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Re: Ebrowse?

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Wow! Edbrowse! Being blind myself, I quickly gave up on that one. I know it's 
supposed to do some Javascript stuff, and had I been able to get used to the 
totally different way of trying to get a website to give up its secrets to it, I 
may have been able to get it to help me pay my bills online before Firefox 
became accessible using Orca, and what was it ... that ... Freedombox or similar 
thing that had its own speech and browser and stuff before that. But although I 
could get used to Lynx and even elinks, and had even better luck with w3m, being 
able to actually read a page like a text editor with my arrow keys, Edbrowse 
remained a total mystery, perhaps because the commands were similar to ed, which 
I also never got working to my satisfaction, preferring the likes of Joe and 
Nano, even though they had some odd keybindings, and I only recently figured out 
how to select text to be cut or copied. Actually, probably the best thing for 
text-based browsing would be to somehow integrate the Javascript supported by 
edbrowse into w3m, and then update w3m to support the most audibly useful parts 
of the HTML5 standard. Add to this the ability to navigate by headings, controls 
and other nice things like we have in Firefox and clunky but true of Chromium as 
well, and this killer combo could certainly give any graphical browser a run for 
its money, especially since it would be much much faster, especially on slower 
or older hardware. Consider this a call for coders, as I for one would actually 
be interested in such a thing, as long as it accessibly supports any of the 
latest technologies that make sense to people who are blind or visually impared 
who want to use text mode effectively for any website. Either that, or we could 
actually start with w3m, assuming it is still actively developed, and if not, it 
can be forked. I actually think w3m may be the best place to start.
Imetumwa kutoka jengo

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

you have to be able to read the manual and follow its instructions.
there are lots of commands to memorize.
Edbrowse is certainly not for everyone.


On Oct 28, 2018, at 3:03 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:

Speaking personally, I am more concerned by the suggestion that one individual with a label associated with their score on an eye chart can create  something that automatically works for everyone with whom they share that label..out of the box specifically.
program is not producing anything meaningful for me so far.



> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> Interesting. Where can we find more information, like contact information, about the blind persons that created edbrowse?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Fernando
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/28/2018 04:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not attempt to
>> do all javascript.
>> It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and
>> maintained by blind people.
>> Such software usually works better for me.
>> 
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Re: Ebrowse?

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I did not suggest anything in the realm of automatic relevance for me, 
just because both the developer and I happen to be blind.

On the other hand, it is entirely reasonable for me to have more hope 
that a blind developer will have a better understanding of my needs than 
a sighted one. Again, this is not some theoretical or ideological 
position, it is just based on my experience as a blind computer user. If 
yours has been different, then fine, but it is not my fault and I am not 
going to get into some lame debate about it beyond this response.

Fernando


On 10/28/2018 06:03 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Speaking personally, I am more concerned by the suggestion that one 
> individual with a label associated with their score on an eye chart 
> can create  something that automatically works for everyone with whom 
> they share that label..out of the box specifically.
> program is not producing anything meaningful for me so far.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Interesting. Where can we find more information, like contact 
>> information, about the blind persons that created edbrowse?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/28/2018 04:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>  The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not 
>>> attempt to
>>>  do all javascript.
>>>  It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and
>>>  maintained by blind people.
>>>  Such software usually works better for me.
>>>
>>>
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w3m continues Edbrowse?

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Granted might have read swiftly.
w3m does not seem to have the  speaking personally, practical links are 
numbered option.
If I were going to incorporate java scripting into anything it would be l 
y n x.  has a  reputation, and is still developed.
However if coding gets done with w3m, adding the ability to select a 
desired link by numbers might be smart.  If the option is there the manual 
is  mum on the option.
Kare

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I confess it might be me not knowing how to properly use them, but
I've tried links(spelled like the links of a chain or on a webpage),
elinks, lynx(spelled like the type of cat), w3m, edbrowse, and browsh
at one point or another, and I consider none of them as remotely
accessible as Firefox with Orca.

Setting aside the killer feature that is the navigational hotkeys
provided by Orca and its Windows competitors, I can't even figure out
how to open webpages in edbrowse or w3m, the others load pages just
fine, but render multi-column webpages with all columns on screen,
causing screen readers to interleave the columns in a way that makes
no sense, Browsh, best I can tell, is the only one I've successfully
loaded pages on that seems to allow line-by-line navigation of the
page instead of requiring the use of a screen reader's screen review
functions, and yet that's rendered useless because something about
browsh causes every line of the page text to be interrupted by the
page title if I don't use screen review. Plus browsh is just a
text-mode front end to Firefox, so it has a downright massive
footprint for a text-mode web browser.

Firefox is the only reason I regularly launch the GUI, and I would
love to ditch it in favor of a text-mode browser, but every text
browser I've tried, in my opinion at least, has serious usability
issues before even getting to their lackluster support for rich web
content.

-- 
Sincerely,

Jeffery Wright
Bachelor of Computer Science
President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa.

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

No, numbered links are not used in w3m as far as I know. W3m works differently. 
It puts the page into a buffer similar to an editor, and you use the arrows to 
navigate. You can tab to links and controls and press the enter key to activate 
them. In this way, w3m is similar in some ways to graphical browsers that are 
much easier to read and navigate. It has the added advantage of being able to 
operate as a pager to read man pages in much the same way. This may not work for 
users who have gotten used to text-based applications needing to be read page by 
page using screen reader review, but it tends to work a lot better for those of 
us who have gotten used to being able to navigate using arrows and tabs in a 
consistent way. The only thing that is missing from w3m is the ability to 
navigate by headers and other specific elements and the ability to work with 
modern websites that employ otherwise accessible Javascript and HTML5 standards. 
My personal website is somewhat of an exception, because I had to code in a more 
difficult way so that it could work at least a little with browsers such as w3m 
or lynx that don't support HTML5 audio for example. I actually had to code 
fallback links for them, which nearly doubles the size and complexity of my hand 
coded HTML.
Imetumwa kutoka tovuti yangu

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

On 28/10/2018 20:55, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I tried building edbrowse on slint which is a fork of slackware and
> couldn't do it.  The build went very far but apparently slint has
> readline and ncurses not properly linked or not linked at all.
> I have used this on archlinux and on debian and on those systems had no
> problem and no need to build edbrowse either.

Thanks for the heads-up, I'll try to build a package for Slint.

Best,

Didier
 

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Oh I found the manual.  if it does the task I seek, then  it will be for 
me.  No technology is for everyone to be sure.



On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> you have to be able to read the manual and follow its instructions.
> there are lots of commands to memorize.
> Edbrowse is certainly not for everyone.
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2018, at 3:03 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Speaking personally, I am more concerned by the suggestion that one individual with a label associated with their score on an eye chart can create  something that automatically works for everyone with whom they share that label..out of the box specifically.
> program is not producing anything meaningful for me so far.
>
>
>
>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. Where can we find more information, like contact information, about the blind persons that created edbrowse?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10/28/2018 04:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not attempt to
>>> do all javascript.
>>> It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and
>>> maintained by blind people.
>>> Such software usually works better for me.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Re: Ebrowse?

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I respect that the concept of everyone sharing a label being 
interchangeable  is working for you.  that the concept of blindness exists 
as one side of a two sided coin.
Respect that that works for you, no matter what exists in the reality of 
others.

I do not require anyone else to share my perspective, which is why I said 
speaking personally, rather than generalized.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> I did not suggest anything in the realm of automatic relevance for me, just 
> because both the developer and I happen to be blind.
>
> On the other hand, it is entirely reasonable for me to have more hope that a 
> blind developer will have a better understanding of my needs than a sighted 
> one. Again, this is not some theoretical or ideological position, it is just 
> based on my experience as a blind computer user. If yours has been different, 
> then fine, but it is not my fault and I am not going to get into some lame 
> debate about it beyond this response.
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On 10/28/2018 06:03 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>  Speaking personally, I am more concerned by the suggestion that one
>>  individual with a label associated with their score on an eye chart can
>>  create  something that automatically works for everyone with whom they
>>  share that label..out of the box specifically.
>>  program is not producing anything meaningful for me so far.
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>> >  Interesting. Where can we find more information, like contact 
>> >  information, about the blind persons that created edbrowse?
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  Thanks,
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  Fernando
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  On 10/28/2018 04:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > >  The editing commands are very similar to ed. Edbrowse does not attempt 
>> > >  to
>> > >   do all javascript.
>> > >   It politely ignores the eye candy stuff. Edbrowse was created and
>> > >   maintained by blind people.
>> > >   Such software usually works better for me.
>> > > 
>> > > 
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Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

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That is interesting.
Never thought about screen review playing a role for those who use that 
allot.
Speaking personally, I tried loading google in w3m, but found it tedious 
reaching the page sections I sought.
Perhaps the search feature lets you skip faster.  would have to play with 
it  more.
Speaking personally having links numbered  saves me time as, at a glance 
so to speak I can choose  where I am going swiftly.



On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> No, numbered links are not used in w3m as far as I know. W3m works 
> differently. It puts the page into a buffer similar to an editor, and you use 
> the arrows to navigate. You can tab to links and controls and press the enter 
> key to activate them. In this way, w3m is similar in some ways to graphical 
> browsers that are much easier to read and navigate. It has the added 
> advantage of being able to operate as a pager to read man pages in much the 
> same way. This may not work for users who have gotten used to text-based 
> applications needing to be read page by page using screen reader review, but 
> it tends to work a lot better for those of us who have gotten used to being 
> able to navigate using arrows and tabs in a consistent way. The only thing 
> that is missing from w3m is the ability to navigate by headers and other 
> specific elements and the ability to work with modern websites that employ 
> otherwise accessible Javascript and HTML5 standards. My personal website is 
> somewhat of an exception, because I had to code in a more difficult way so 
> that it could work at least a little with browsers such as w3m or lynx that 
> don't support HTML5 audio for example. I actually had to code fallback links 
> for them, which nearly doubles the size and complexity of my hand coded HTML.
> Imetumwa kutoka tovuti yangu
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Re: Ebrowse?

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Didoer Spaier here.

I have read the instructions to build it, and that's not that simple.

Before I invest time to the dependencies then the software itself,
could you please just try a static binary?

It's available here:
http://edbrowse.org/static/

I did that and at least edbrowse starts here on Slint.

let me know how that goes

Best,

Didier

On 28/10/2018 22:14, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> On 28/10/2018 20:55, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> I tried building edbrowse on slint which is a fork of slackware and
>> couldn't do it.  The build went very far but apparently slint has
>> readline and ncurses not properly linked or not linked at all.
>> I have used this on archlinux and on debian and on those systems had no
>> problem and no need to build edbrowse either.
> 
> Thanks for the heads-up, I'll try to build a package for Slint.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Didier

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

"Speaking personally, I tried loading google in w3m, but found it tedious 
reaching the page sections I sought."

This was my experience as well. This is because w3m has no header or any other 
quick navigation features that are common to most graphical desktop browsers. 
For example, I am able to go to either DuckDuckGo or Google, both of which land 
me immediately on the search box, which is what I want most right away, then I 
can enter my search and then press h to navigate through the search results by 
headings, as each result's link is a heading, and then if I want to read the 
little piece of the page that it includes, I can press the down arrow key to get 
to it, then h to move to the next result or H to move back to the top of that 
result or to previous results. Unfortunately, no text browser has this 
capability at present, not even w3m, making them all more tedious to navigate 
than the graphical browsers. That said, w3m would seem to be the best candidate 
for being modernized and made less tedious, because it just needs accessible 
Javascript and HTML5 support along with quick navigation keybindings that can 
place the cursor directly on the point of interest, especially since it is the 
only text browser that supports direct arrow and tab navigation right out of the 
box.
Imetumwa kutoka macho yangu

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Again that is an interesting perspective.
granted when I search google, because I have a google account, my 
experience  is different.
Lynx, last updated  a few weeks back uses the slash key for searches.
So, I slash search for sig, am placed just above the search box, arrow 
down once, type in my search, arrow down again and hit entre.
because the results are numbered,  and because I admit I have  what I 
consider very clear dectalk speech, once my results are presented, I can 
simply choose the associated number, no tabbing needful at all.
My personal experience with elinks, which when compiled with JavaScript 
gives the sense of a graphical browser is that unless a site really 
creates good alt-tags, one may be tabbing for a while to reach something 
meaningful, either everything is spoken as the word link, or one finds 
several  options with the same  alt-tag identifier.
even elinks provides the option for numbers tough.  meaning my personal 
experience might be slower, but my hands stay on the keyboard.
That is just me, and I I realize that computing is a very personal thing.
Kare



On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> "Speaking personally, I tried loading google in w3m, but found it tedious 
> reaching the page sections I sought."
>
> This was my experience as well. This is because w3m has no header or any 
> other quick navigation features that are common to most graphical desktop 
> browsers. For example, I am able to go to either DuckDuckGo or Google, both 
> of which land me immediately on the search box, which is what I want most 
> right away, then I can enter my search and then press h to navigate through 
> the search results by headings, as each result's link is a heading, and then 
> if I want to read the little piece of the page that it includes, I can press 
> the down arrow key to get to it, then h to move to the next result or H to 
> move back to the top of that result or to previous results. Unfortunately, no 
> text browser has this capability at present, not even w3m, making them all 
> more tedious to navigate than the graphical browsers. That said, w3m would 
> seem to be the best candidate for being modernized and made less tedious, 
> because it just needs accessible Javascript and HTML5 support along with 
> quick navigation keybindings that can place the cursor directly on the point 
> of interest, especially since it is the only text browser that supports 
> direct arrow and tab navigation right out of the box.
> Imetumwa kutoka macho yangu
>
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cutting to the chase (was Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?)

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I get around the excessive verbiage problem on google like this:
1. create a new shell script command in $HOME/bin/google containing this line:
lynx -useragent="Mozilla 5.0 (compatible) MSIE 10.0 Window NT 7.0" ~/bin/google.html

2.  In the $HOME/bin/google.html file place the following HTML code:
<!-- X-URL: http://www.google.com/ -->
<!-- Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:39:59 GMT -->
<BASE HREF="http://www.google.com/">
<!doctype html><html itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/WebPage"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"><meta name="description" content="Search the world&#39;s information, including webpages, images, videos and more. Google has many special features to help you find exactly what you&#39;re looking for."><meta name="robots" content="noodp"><meta itemprop="image" content="/images/google_favicon_128.png"><title>Google</title><script>window.google={kEI:"326dT87mJofc0QG02oCpBA",getEI:function(a){var b;while(a&&!(a.getAttribute&&(b=a.getAttribute("eid"))))a=a.parentNode;return b||google.kEI},https:function(){return window.location.protocol=="https:"},kEXPI:"17259,34955,36683,37196,37646,38099,38135,38182,38284,38355,38409,38444,38517,38578",kCSI:{e:"17259,34955,36683,37196,37646,38099,38135,38182,38284,38355,38409,38444,38517,38578",ei:"326dT87mJofc0QG02oCpBA"},authuser:0,
ml:function(){},kHL:"en",time:function(){return(new Date).getTime()},log:function(a,b,c,e){var d=new Image,h=google,i=h.lc,f=h.li,j="";d.onerror=(d.onload=(d.onabort=function(){delete i[f]}));i[f]=d;if(!c&&b.search("&ei=")==-1)j="&ei="+google.getEI(e);var g=c||"/gen_204?atyp=i&ct="+a+"&cad="+b+j+"&zx="+google.time();
var k=/^http:/i;if(k.test(g)&&google.https()){google.ml(new Error("GLMM"),false,{src:g});delete i[f];return}d.src=g;h.li=f+1},lc:[],li:0,Toolbelt:{},y:{},x:function(a,b){google.y[a.id]=[a,b];return false}};
var _gjwl=location;function _gjuc(){var e=_gjwl.href.indexOf("#");if(e>=0){var a=_gjwl.href.substring(e);if(a.indexOf("&q=")>0||a.indexOf("#q=")>=0){a=a.substring(1);if(a.indexOf("#")==-1){for(var c=0;c<a.length;){var d=c;if(a.charAt(d)=="&")++d;var b=a.indexOf("&",d);if(b==-1)b=a.length;var f=a.substring(d,b);if(f.indexOf("fp=")==0){a=a.substring(0,c)+a.substring(b,a.length);b=c}else if(f=="cad=h")return 0;c=b}_gjwl.href="/search?"+a+"&cad=h";return 1}}}return 0}function _gjp(){!(window._gjwl.hash&&
window._gjuc())&&setTimeout(_gjp,500)};
window._gjp && _gjp()</script><style>#gbar,#guser{font-size:13px;padding-top:1px !important;}#gbar{height:22px}#guser{padding-bottom:7px !important;text-align:right}.gbh,.gbd{border-top:1px solid #c9d7f1;font-size:1px}.gbh{height:0;position:absolute;top:24px;width:100%}@media all{.gb1{height:22px;margin-right:.5em;vertical-align:top}#gbar{float:left}}a.gb1,a.gb4{text-decoration:underline !important}a.gb1,a.gb4{color:#00c !important}</style><style id=gstyle>body{margin:0;overflow-y:scroll}#gog{padding:3px 8px 0}td{line-height:.8em}.gac_m td{line-height:17px}form{margin-bottom:20px}body,td,a,p,.h{font-family:arial,sans-serif}.h{color:#36c;font-size:20px}.q{color:#00c}.ts td{padding:0}.ts{border-collapse:collapse}em{font-weight:bold;font-style:normal}.lst{height:25px;margin-bottom:.2em;padding:4px 5px 0 5px;vertical-align:bottom;width:496px}.gsfi,.lst{font:17px arial,sans-serif}.gsfs{font:17px arial,sans-serif}input{font-family:inherit}a.gb1,a.gb2,a.gb3,a.gb4{color:#11c !important}body{background:#fff;color:black}a{color:#11c;text-decoration:none}a:hover,a:active{text-decoration:underline}.fl a{color:#36c}a:visited{color:#551a8b}a.gb1,a.gb4{text-decoration:underline}a.gb3:hover{text-decoration:none}#ghead a.gb2:hover{color:#fff!important}td.fl a{font-size:11px}.lsb{border:1px solid;border-color:#ccc #999 #999 #ccc;height:1.85em!important;font:15px arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:top}.lsb:active{background:#ccc}.lst:focus{outline:none}#addlang a{padding:0 3px}.gac_v div{display:none}.gac_v .gac_v2,.gac_bt{display:block!important}table.gssb_c{z-index:986  }.nbcl{background:url(/images/srpr/nav_logo80.png) no-repeat ;height:px;width:px}</style><script></script></head>
<body bgcolor=#ffffff text=#000000 link=#0000cc vlink=#551a8b alink=#ff0000 onload="document.f&&document.f.q.focus();document.gbqf&&document.gbqf.q.focus()" >
		<form action="/search" name=f>
			<table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr valign=top><td width=25%>&nbsp;</td><td align=center nowrap><input name=hl type=hidden value=en><input name=source type=hidden value=hp><input type=hidden name=ie value="ISO-8859-1"><input autocomplete=off maxlength=2048 name=q size=55 class=lst title="Google Search" value=""><br><div style="font-size:0;height:5px"></div><input name=btnG type=submit value="Google Search" class=lsb>&nbsp;<input name=btnI type=submit value="I&#39;m Feeling Lucky" class=lsb></td><td nowrap class=fl width=25% align=left><font size=-2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="/advanced_search?hl=en">Advanced search</a><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="/language_tools?hl=en">Language tools</a></font></td></tr></table><input type=hidden id=gbv name=gbv value="1">
			</form>
	</body></html>


3.  Set permissions and make sure $HOME/bin is in your PATH 
e.g.
chmod 700 $HOME/bin/google
chmod 600 $HOME/bin/google.html
in $HOME/.profile
PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH


4. Now you can just call google, and end up with your
cursor in the search box.

For me, this means typing my search term, hitting the ENTER key twice, hitting
the A key each time lynx asks me to accept cookies, then entering /verbatim and the ENTER
key to get to the first link before the search results.

Your mileage may vary.
For example, in some configurations I need to enter /preference instead of /verbatim, to jump to the
search results, so some trial and error may be needed.


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:23:40PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> "Speaking personally, I tried loading google in w3m, but found it tedious
> reaching the page sections I sought."
> 
> This was my experience as well. This is because w3m has no header or any
> other quick navigation features that are common to most graphical desktop
> browsers. For example, I am able to go to either DuckDuckGo or Google, both
> of which land me immediately on the search box, which is what I want most
> right away, then I can enter my search and then press h to navigate through
> the search results by headings, as each result's link is a heading, and then
> if I want to read the little piece of the page that it includes, I can press
> the down arrow key to get to it, then h to move to the next result or H to
> move back to the top of that result or to previous results. Unfortunately,
> no text browser has this capability at present, not even w3m, making them
> all more tedious to navigate than the graphical browsers. That said, w3m
> would seem to be the best candidate for being modernized and made less
> tedious, because it just needs accessible Javascript and HTML5 support along
> with quick navigation keybindings that can place the cursor directly on the
> point of interest, especially since it is the only text browser that
> supports direct arrow and tab navigation right out of the box.
> Imetumwa kutoka macho yangu
> 
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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Website: http://www.rudyvener.com

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Regarding navigational hotkeys, to my knowledge, no major graphical
browser has these built-in. However, they are a standard accessibility
feature provided by graphical screen readers such as Orca under
Windows and NVDA and JAWS under Windows. An understandable mistake, as
a web browser being able to quickly jump between specific web elements
would make sense, and I can only assume the feature is implemented by
the screen reader instead of the browser because most sighted users
would just use the mouse to accomplish what Orca/NVDA/JAWS users
utilize navigation hotkeys for, and even keyboard-focused sighted
users are content with being able to scroll the page via arrow keys
and can skip over irrelevant parts of a page effortlessly thanks to
vision's more random access nature compared to hearing's more
sequential access nature.

At the very least, I never even thought about the heading structure of
pages I visited, where certain form elements are in relation to the
content of a page, and was almost never bothered by large, dense
blocks of links at the top or bottom of a page or long lists of links
down the sides back when I had usable vision, and now its second
nature for me to get a feel for a page's heading structure.

And, I'll confess I make frequent use of crtl+F to find text on a web
page in Firefox, but thanks to the navigational hotkeys provided by
Orca, that's usually a last resort rather than my go to, and is
usually a sign a web page is poorly designed if I have to use it for
any reason aside from bookmarking my place in the middle of a long
page.

Anyways, as long as we have someone singing its praises, can someone
direct me to a user's guide for w3m? I tried it out yeasterday, but
couldn't figure out how to load even a known website.

-- 
Sincerely,

Jeffery Wright
Bachelor of Computer Science
President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa.

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Nope,   the slash search feature is a part of Lynx, links and elinks too 
for that matter.    I cannot speak to the 
screen readers to which you refer, their software  speech synthesis 
configurations are unsafe for me to use.
still I located the w3m users guide by hunting for that exact phrase.
cheers,
Kare



On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Regarding navigational hotkeys, to my knowledge, no major graphical
> browser has these built-in. However, they are a standard accessibility
> feature provided by graphical screen readers such as Orca under
> Windows and NVDA and JAWS under Windows. An understandable mistake, as
> a web browser being able to quickly jump between specific web elements
> would make sense, and I can only assume the feature is implemented by
> the screen reader instead of the browser because most sighted users
> would just use the mouse to accomplish what Orca/NVDA/JAWS users
> utilize navigation hotkeys for, and even keyboard-focused sighted
> users are content with being able to scroll the page via arrow keys
> and can skip over irrelevant parts of a page effortlessly thanks to
> vision's more random access nature compared to hearing's more
> sequential access nature.
>
> At the very least, I never even thought about the heading structure of
> pages I visited, where certain form elements are in relation to the
> content of a page, and was almost never bothered by large, dense
> blocks of links at the top or bottom of a page or long lists of links
> down the sides back when I had usable vision, and now its second
> nature for me to get a feel for a page's heading structure.
>
> And, I'll confess I make frequent use of crtl+F to find text on a web
> page in Firefox, but thanks to the navigational hotkeys provided by
> Orca, that's usually a last resort rather than my go to, and is
> usually a sign a web page is poorly designed if I have to use it for
> any reason aside from bookmarking my place in the middle of a long
> page.
>
> Anyways, as long as we have someone singing its praises, can someone
> direct me to a user's guide for w3m? I tried it out yeasterday, but
> couldn't figure out how to load even a known website.
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeffery Wright
> Bachelor of Computer Science
> President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa.
>
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> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Didier Spaier here,

Wait! Actually its possible to build edbrowse on Slint,
as Jude DaShiell did it. I jut remembered an email he 
sent me about that, that I forward below.

For issues specific to Slint you could put the Slint
mailing list in CC, if not yet registered:
http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr 

PS Please write your name in the message when posing
in blinux list, as it hides the name of the senders.

Didier

On 19/10/2018 19:03, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> There's a program on the url in forwarded e-mail to test proper linkage
> between ncurses and readline.  Where lynx breaks for a screen I have to
> copy text in in two pieces.  If you attempt to build edbrowse you'll need
> PyYAML package for duktape and that's already available.  The duktape
> package isn't available in slackware yet.  tidy-html5 will also be needed.
> Neither tidy-html5 or duktape have problems building on slint if
> instructions are followed in the README file in an edbrowse root directory
> once edbrowse is unpacked.  The bug came from RedHat and I don't know if
> this one applies to slint yet.
> --
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:45:17
> From: Karl Dahlke <eklhad@comcast.net>
> To: jdashiel@panix.com, chris@the-brannons.com
> Subject: typescript file for you
> 
> I dunno; I feel like I'm on the right track.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499837
> 
> I know that's redhat but still...
> Not sure why -lncurses didn't fix it.
> Can you compile and run the test program on this web page?
> 
> Karl Dahlke


On 29/10/2018 13:33, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Didier Spaier here.
> 
> I have read the instructions to build it, and that's not that simple.
> 
> Before I invest time to the dependencies then the software itself,
> could you please just try a static binary?
> 
> It's available here:
> http://edbrowse.org/static/
> 
> I did that and at least edbrowse starts here on Slint.
> 
> let me know how that goes
> 
> Best,
> 
> Didier
> 
> On 28/10/2018 22:14, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> On 28/10/2018 20:55, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I tried building edbrowse on slint which is a fork of slackware and
>>> couldn't do it.  The build went very far but apparently slint has
>>> readline and ncurses not properly linked or not linked at all.
>>> I have used this on archlinux and on debian and on those systems had no
>>> problem and no need to build edbrowse either.
>>
>> Thanks for the heads-up, I'll try to build a package for Slint.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Didier
> 
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Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I failed to build edbrowse in slint.  The build went very far but failed
linking possibly because ncurses and readline may be linked incorrectly.



--

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I will try to see why it fails and report here.

Didier

On 30/10/2018 00:03, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I failed to build edbrowse in slint.  The build went very far but failed
> linking possibly because ncurses and readline may be linked incorrectly.

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

When you key in edbrowse followed by a space followed by a web page url
and hit enter if edbrowse is able to open that web page there are two
things to keep in mind.  First you're in browser mode and second your line
position is at the end of that web page when you open it up.  This is
default operation by edbrowse on all web pages.



--

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Did you run the ebsetup script in your directory and answer all of the
questions?  If not, you haven't configured edbrowse yet and I suspect will
find its operation more effective once properly configured.

The script is probably in /usr/share/edbrowse/scripts and will first need
to be copied into your user directory then have run permissions enabled on
it chmod 755 ebsetup before you can run it with ./ebsetup <enter>.


--

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

anyone successfully using edbrowse on the paypal site, say in the last 
week?



On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> When you key in edbrowse followed by a space followed by a web page url
> and hit enter if edbrowse is able to open that web page there are two
> things to keep in mind.  First you're in browser mode and second your line
> position is at the end of that web page when you open it up.  This is
> default operation by edbrowse on all web pages.
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
>

Re: Ebrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

If your question is for me, I am running edbrowse at shellworld.
I will see if the command to run the script produces anything.



On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Did you run the ebsetup script in your directory and answer all of the
> questions?  If not, you haven't configured edbrowse yet and I suspect will
> find its operation more effective once properly configured.
>
> The script is probably in /usr/share/edbrowse/scripts and will first need
> to be copied into your user directory then have run permissions enabled on
> it chmod 755 ebsetup before you can run it with ./ebsetup <enter>.
>
>
> --
>
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>
>

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Didier again.

Good guess.

The solution is to edit the line #33 of edbrowse-3.7.4/src/GNUMakefile appending -Lncurses so it becomes:
LDLIBS = -lpcre -lcurl -lreadline -ltidy -lduktape -lm -lncurses

I followed the suggestion in this page:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499837

Also, the duktape libs should go in /usr/lib64, not in .usr/local

If you think it's worth it I will package edbrowse and deps for Slint in
the coming days.

Best,

Didier

On 30/10/2018 00:15, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I will try to see why it fails and report here.
> 
> Didier
> 
> On 30/10/2018 00:03, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> I failed to build edbrowse in slint.  The build went very far but failed
>> linking possibly because ncurses and readline may be linked incorrectly.

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Jude Dashiell here, I guessed wrong and chose line 106 to no good
effect.  I'll try line 33 and this will probably work correctly.  Great
one of us can understand those bug reports thoroughly!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:02:34
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?
>
> Didier again.
>
> Good guess.
>
> The solution is to edit the line #33 of edbrowse-3.7.4/src/GNUMakefile appending -Lncurses so it becomes:
> LDLIBS = -lpcre -lcurl -lreadline -ltidy -lduktape -lm -lncurses
>
> I followed the suggestion in this page:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499837
>
> Also, the duktape libs should go in /usr/lib64, not in .usr/local
>
> If you think it's worth it I will package edbrowse and deps for Slint in
> the coming days.
>
> Best,
>
> Didier
>
> On 30/10/2018 00:15, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I will try to see why it fails and report here.
> >
> > Didier
> >
> > On 30/10/2018 00:03, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> I failed to build edbrowse in slint.  The build went very far but failed
> >> linking possibly because ncurses and readline may be linked incorrectly.
>
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Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

That make finished without errors however duktape is in /usr/local and I
don't yet know how to relocate that in another build of duktape.  So far
as I can tell, edbrowse does installation differently than other
standard Linux programs.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:02:34
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?
>
> Didier again.
>
> Good guess.
>
> The solution is to edit the line #33 of edbrowse-3.7.4/src/GNUMakefile appending -Lncurses so it becomes:
> LDLIBS = -lpcre -lcurl -lreadline -ltidy -lduktape -lm -lncurses
>
> I followed the suggestion in this page:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499837
>
> Also, the duktape libs should go in /usr/lib64, not in .usr/local
>
> If you think it's worth it I will package edbrowse and deps for Slint in
> the coming days.
>
> Best,
>
> Didier
>
> On 30/10/2018 00:15, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I will try to see why it fails and report here.
> >
> > Didier
> >
> > On 30/10/2018 00:03, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> I failed to build edbrowse in slint.  The build went very far but failed
> >> linking possibly because ncurses and readline may be linked incorrectly.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

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Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Quick and ugly way (but which worked here) for Slint:

mv /usr/local/libduktape* /usr/lib64 

Usually this is taken care when building a package by the packager, just setting
a variable like e.g. --prefix=/usr/lib$LIBDIRSUFFIX <some command> where the
valiue of LIBDIRSUFFIX can be null or 64.

But a lot of software use /usr/local by default, in order to not mess the
"system" location /usr with files installed by and for a specific system. An
"official" binary package (build by and for a distribution) instead do not use
/usr/local, but that's managed by the packager, not by the upstream developer. 

Also most distributions put the system libs in /usr/lib, but Slackware
and Slint in /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 for 32 bit or 64 bit libs respectively
because they are not multilib. Sorry for the gory details.

Best,

Didier

On 30/10/2018 03:13, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> That make finished without errors however duktape is in /usr/local and I
> don't yet know how to relocate that in another build of duktape.  So far
> as I can tell, edbrowse does installation differently than other
> standard Linux programs.
> 
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:02:34
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>> Subject: Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?
>>
>> Didier again.
>>
>> Good guess.
>>
>> The solution is to edit the line #33 of edbrowse-3.7.4/src/GNUMakefile appending -Lncurses so it becomes:
>> LDLIBS = -lpcre -lcurl -lreadline -ltidy -lduktape -lm -lncurses
>>
>> I followed the suggestion in this page:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499837
>>
>> Also, the duktape libs should go in /usr/lib64, not in .usr/local
>>
>> If you think it's worth it I will package edbrowse and deps for Slint in
>> the coming days.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Didier
>>
>> On 30/10/2018 00:15, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I will try to see why it fails and report here.
>>>
>>> Didier
>>>
>>> On 30/10/2018 00:03, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> I failed to build edbrowse in slint.  The build went very far but failed
>>>> linking possibly because ncurses and readline may be linked incorrectly.
>>

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I really meant --libdir=/usr/lib$LIBDIRSUFFIX.

But for the binaries or more generally this can be:
--prefix=/usr instead of /usr/local depending on the command and
build system.

On 30/10/2018 05:38, Didier Spaier wrote:
> Usually this is taken care when building a package by the packager, just setting
> a variable like e.g. --prefix=/usr/lib$LIBDIRSUFFIX <some command> where the
> value of LIBDIRSUFFIX can be null or 64.
> 
> But a lot of software use /usr/local by default, in order to not mess the
> "system" location /usr with files installed by and for a specific system. An
> "official" binary package (build by and for a distribution) instead do not use
> /usr/local, but that's managed by the packager, not by the upstream developer. 
> 
> Also most distributions put the system libs in /usr/lib, but Slackware
> and Slint in /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 for 32 bit or 64 bit libs respectively
> because they are not multilib. Sorry for the gory details.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Didier
> 
> On 30/10/2018 03:13, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> That make finished without errors however duktape is in /usr/local and I
>> don't yet know how to relocate that in another build of duktape.  So far
>> as I can tell, edbrowse does installation differently than other
>> standard Linux programs.
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:02:34
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> Subject: Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?
>>>
>>> Didier again.
>>>
>>> Good guess.
>>>
>>> The solution is to edit the line #33 of edbrowse-3.7.4/src/GNUMakefile appending -Lncurses so it becomes:
>>> LDLIBS = -lpcre -lcurl -lreadline -ltidy -lduktape -lm -lncurses
>>>
>>> I followed the suggestion in this page:
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499837
>>>
>>> Also, the duktape libs should go in /usr/lib64, not in .usr/local
>>>
>>> If you think it's worth it I will package edbrowse and deps for Slint in
>>> the coming days.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Didier
>>>
>>> On 30/10/2018 00:15, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> I will try to see why it fails and report here.
>>>>
>>>> Didier
>>>>
>>>> On 30/10/2018 00:03, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> I failed to build edbrowse in slint.  The build went very far but failed
>>>>> linking possibly because ncurses and readline may be linked incorrectly.
>>>
> 

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi, Schoepp here,

I am using w3m for years now and I like it very much. Its much better then
lynx which I have used before.

To get a list of the available keyboard shortcuts just start w3m and press
"H" (shift plus h).
To open a URL just press "U" (shift plus u), delete the address which is
given in the formfield, enter the new address and press enter.
To open the settings page for w3m just press "o".
To go back a page press "B" (shift plus b). With this shortcut it is also
possible to leave the help page or the settings page.

Cheers,

  Schoepp

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Okay, clearly, I'm doing something wrong or w3m is seriously broken.

executing w3m without command line arguments just prints its help
message. Piping this to a file so I can read all of it makes it clear
that a URL or filename is the minimal amount of arguments needed, but
both

w3m gmail.google.com

and

w3m relative/path/to/local/textfile.txt

produce completely blank screens. Shift H and Shift U as Schoepp
mentioned for accessing the internal help system and address bar do
nothing, and shift Q to quit seems to work only about half the time,
and I've more than once had to use control z to send w3m to the
bakground and exit twice to kill the background process.

As most of the installed packages on my system are sourced from Debian
Unstable(which provides w3m 0.5.3.36), and broken packages
occasionally find their way into Unstable, I tried downgrading to the
version from Debian Stable(0.5.3.34), but this resulted in no change
in behavior.

Tab completion on w3m revealed the presence of the w3mman command,
which I assume is a short cut to w3m's built-in help, but executing
this command again produces a blank screen.

So, any idea what's going wrong here and how to fix it? W3m's
proponents make it sound like it has some nice features that make it
easier to use than other text-mode browser, especially for those
coming from a graphical browser, but while I haven't been impressed
with lynx the cat or what I've tried of links the chain and its
relatives, and browsh's dependence on Firefox means it'll never have
the small footprint that is usually a selling point of text browsers,
at least I can actually get web pages to load in those browsers.

-- 
Sincerely,

Jeffery Wright
Bachelor of Computer Science
President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa.

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Hi Jeffery,

On Tue, October 30, 2018 11:53 am, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> executing w3m without command line arguments just prints its help message.
> Piping this to a file so I can read all of it makes it clear
> that a URL or filename is the minimal amount of arguments needed, but both
>
> w3m gmail.google.com
>
> and
>
> w3m relative/path/to/local/textfile.txt
>
> produce completely blank screens.

This must really be something specific with your system, because I was
able to open the gmail page without problems.

What happens if you try

w3m http://gmail.google.com

Will it work, if you put a "http" in front of the address?

You could also look in your home directory for a .w3m directory and delete
it just to make sure that there is no local broken configuration.

BTW.: I am using Debian Stretch with the stretch backports repo enabled.
The installed w3m version is 0.5.3-34+deb9u1.

Ciao,

  Schoepp

Re: w3m continues Edbrowse?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Yeah, there seems to be something wrong with my main system that
prevents w3M from working. adding the http:// didn't change a thing,
but it seems to work properly when I install it on my secondary
machine(the one I use for testing new distros).

My next test will be to try running w3m from my Knoppix LiveDVD to see
if the problem is general to Knoppix or specific to my highly
customized harddrive install of Knoppix.

-- 
Sincerely,

Jeffery Wright
Bachelor of Computer Science
President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa.