From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.14]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w25FLvcA024055 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:21:57 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 1ABF25D996; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx04.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E244F5D970 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B1538553C for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w25FLJgE007008 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:21:20 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 rednote.net w25FLJgE007008 Authentication-Results: rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 rednote.net w25FLJgE007008 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1520263280; bh=eIywgn5C5LQfkztk5o3JcEnm+WhvqGDd1YURQUi04aU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=coHnUIvSWxq8LkbZzq3l8BLSDSk0DgM9K0kkhHpiFNk7oZyOuDR4wJ3Fq9momaRji aGVDVtqlOOXU/7YcvPd0Sa8HYYAp9Bx0OMNbs6PPza6Lm6SbSvNhO/aAe8Nvk9CreA N45oEeIB60E52QQ4PARe6MjinIgYEf6mLA2OLsBA= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id w25FLJ71007007 for blinux-list@redhat.com; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:21:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:21:19 -0500 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin Message-ID: <20180305152119.GJ5162@rednote.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.14.17-x86_64-linode99 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, ACL 227 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'66.228.34.147' DOMAIN:'opera.rednote.net' HELO:'rednote.net' FROM:'janina@rednote.net' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.112 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD) 66.228.34.147 opera.rednote.net 66.228.34.147 opera.rednote.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.28 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 15:21:57 -0000 Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > Voiceover can be made to act exactly like speakup using the numpad keys. > On an Airbook? How? > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Oh, yes, one can do this with Voice Over, but it's so very, very > > cumbersome compared to using Speakup's numeric keypad screen review. > > > > I just don't have all day to fuss with VO. Just my experience. > > > > Janina > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > -eric, > > > > > > I honestly do not have any special software or configerations to interact with the Unix console. I have noticed that each person who is having issues with the Mac terminal have in common. Remember Voiceover requires that you use the VoiceOver keys to navigate the VoiceOver cursor. It is similar to the flat review in Linux but uses different keys. You have to hold down the CTRL + CMD keys to move the cursor. In addition to these keys you have to make sure you are interacting with the terminal window. VoiceOver requires that you are "interacting" with windows for VoiceOver to read the contents of that window. To do this you press the Shift key + CTRL + CMD + the down arrow. In terms of the terminal window you would listen for "Shell" and perform the interaction command. From this point you would use the VoiceOver navigation commands to move around the stdout including the man pages. > > > > > > To interact with the man pages simply execute the man page you are interested in then use the above commands to read it. Once you have read the currently displayed page you would press the space bar to bring up the next section of the man page. You can tell if there is additional pages not being displayed because at the bottom there will be a : displayed letting you know there are more pages to show. To exit the man pages you would simply type the letter q. I typically will execute this command to have more control of the man docs and can review them later. > > > $ man grep >> grep.txt > > > > > > I am sure you understand what that is doing but in case someone does not it is basically redirecting the stdout from the man command to a file named grep.txt. I then will use vim or cat to read the documentation. Hope this helps > > > Bryan Duarte | software engineer > > > > > > ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student > > > IGERT Fellow > > > Alliance for Person-centered Accessible Technology (APAcT) > > > Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (CUbiC Lab) > > > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona | Affiliate Board Member > > > National Association of Blind Students | Board Member > > > Arizona Association of Blind Students | President > > > Phone: 480-652-3045 > > > > > > > On Feb 28, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > -eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > -- > XB > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa