From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.16]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1SGOGvt023254 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:24:16 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id DE9B65F713; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx03.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D73B55F718 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47B7925D43 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w1SGO4l1026755 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:24:04 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 rednote.net w1SGO4l1026755 Authentication-Results: rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 rednote.net w1SGO4l1026755 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1519835044; bh=UkBlH9TQ0gxOpQn4rFArtVAF477VYWcvPG5L0NmDn1I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=NAbkxjogsC+rDxha8DOTESb3ept1zlDkZZKxJ49Xqr4k3A6u05YBDcsb7ql3MHcp3 t5/rzhTiFO75tyJi16XPqULKzNr7DWdpf9pxrdrwNiuB29SXKKKaMGzq0UbtqUfX6J XuR+Z+17Z+y15LtU1UOQWtId2Pdh14YqKe1bpuWk= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id w1SGO4on026752 for blinux-list@redhat.com; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:24:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:24:04 -0500 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin Message-ID: <20180228162404.GD5162@rednote.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.14.17-x86_64-linode99 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, ACL 227 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'66.228.34.147' DOMAIN:'opera.rednote.net' HELO:'rednote.net' FROM:'janina@rednote.net' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.112 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD) 66.228.34.147 opera.rednote.net 66.228.34.147 opera.rednote.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.27 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:24:17 -0000 Cygwin is the old way. There's now native Linux available on Windows 10. Currently it's Ubuntu and two flavors of Suse Linux, but more Linux distros are coming. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I do plan on trying out ORCA at some point here. Most of our servers are > non-physicals, but I can just build a physical Ubuntu system with ORCA on > one of my spare physical workstations. Once I'm in a cygwin window on my > Windows system, I just ssh from there to other servers. I generally have > several command line windows open, ssh'ed to other servers. That isn't the > issue. The issue are these X-Windows and Java based tools, many of them > don't have command line options to administer. Yeah, you can go edit > config files and the like, start and stop them, but if you're trying to > troubleshoot the tool from the perspective of the user, or access some > admin functions that are only inside the tool graphically, you're kinda > stuck. I think that ORCA on a physical Linux system and maybe a Mac will > be my best options to try. > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Linux for blind general discussion < > blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > > > Why not just ssh into your Linux servers from a Linux terminal? Its ssh > > capability is far better than anything you can get from a Windows app using > > their lackluster screen readers. > > > > Java apps use the java-atk-bridge to work with Orca, but that's only if > > you require graphical tools. If not, you can do that from a text terminal > > as well. That just leaves the Windows servers, and I personally would avoid > > those like the plague, especially in a business environment. I can't > > recommend anything good for accessing such things. > > > > Really though, Linux has some of the best accessibility tools around for > > sysadmin tasks, so do give it a shot. If you find NVDA usable, you'll LOVE > > Orca, as it deals with flat review of the screen rather than NVDA's > > constructed object navigation, which is foreign even to a power user like > > me. > > Imetumwa kutoka kompyuta yangu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa