From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.13]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1SGLwn2022865 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:21:59 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id D48F1608F4; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx03.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8F6D608F9 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D0DC769E8 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w1SGLlHa026675 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:21:47 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 rednote.net w1SGLlHa026675 Authentication-Results: rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 rednote.net w1SGLlHa026675 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1519834907; bh=KmsEJCkySHm9ChL+t+z9eGnaHKpVIa3eacOKJGNbMLg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ECBe2o+JWrdiIPfr6tWl1lR5qVRyhiXQ84yR2uBFt2e/G1e0gmlyd6I334m0EWTxu bKCygB4kRFcPW0CMjfrOfel6zO+w3GIpaPJNvj1bWRmTlG1xQvuyGLxeKLXNtZJ8GM dvFI3WTEJgUei0GLtxsn8n/JuBLriAnUUBqKNVJg= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id w1SGLl7J026674 for blinux-list@redhat.com; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:21:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:21:47 -0500 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Screen reader advice for a Linux sysadmin Message-ID: <20180228162147.GB5162@rednote.net> References: <20180228085238.GG25455@v.cs-x.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.14.17-x86_64-linode99 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, ACL 227 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:21:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:21:49 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'66.228.34.147' DOMAIN:'opera.rednote.net' HELO:'rednote.net' FROM:'janina@rednote.net' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.112 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD) 66.228.34.147 opera.rednote.net 66.228.34.147 opera.rednote.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.27 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.13 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:21:59 -0000 Hi, Jumping in here to try and clarify one point ... Linux for blind general discussion writes: ... > Do you use also a brailledisplay on the Mac and in the terminal? > Answer: > I do in deed us a Braille display on my Mac with no problem. I have a Focus 40 Blue and it works great. I will admit that I do not know Computer Braille yet but I would very much like to learn it so I can use Braille when developing software. It is on my to learn list for sure... > Would you find your Mac Terminal as useful without the braille? I suspect not vis a vis Speakup on Linux. > My questions: > 1. I am running Ubuntu 16.04 on my HP laptop but with little success in the terminal due to things not being spoken. I am running Orca as the screen reader. Can you provide some tips or how toos for making my terminal access and over all Linux experience more accessible? > No surprise here. Speakup is what you want for console access. > 2. You said "After using a Mac for a few weeks at work I was very disappointed. > Especialy the VoiceOver support in the terminal is not more then > rudimentary compared to the things you can do with a screenreader on a > linux system." > This is my experience precisely with my Mac Airbook. In fact, while traveling with only the Airbook, I would ssh from a VMware Linux session into my Mac to do Mac terminal tasks, because of the superior screen reader support. As noted above, braille would viciate my statement. I'm speaking of TTS only interfacing. hth Janina -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa