Re: installing brlspeak.

Re: installing brlspeak.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks alot I understand.
charles

On 2002-03-11 blinux-list@redhat.com said:
   ><cbowman@netdoor.com> writes:
   >> hi, well, what I would like to do is that i am getting a new
   >>computer and it  will have removeable hardrives and so I have 1 60
   >>gb hard drive that dosn't  have an os on it at all so was thinking
   >>of using it for linux if posable.  or, do i need to have another
   >os on there to work with linux? No, Linux runs perfectly by itself,
   >without help of ther (silly) OSes :-).
   >If you have only one drive in your computer at a time, everything
   >is fine. If you have a primary disk in your computer, where the
   >primary OS is installed, you may need to install a bootmanager
   >to be able to select which OS to boot.
   >--
   >CYa,
   >Mario
   >_______________________________________________
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   >Blinux-list@redhat.com
   >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

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Re: installing brlspeak.

[cbowman]

hi, well, what I would like to do is that i am getting a new computer and it
will have removeable hardrives and so I have 1 60 gb hard drive that dosn't
have an os on it at all so was thinking of using it for linux if posable.
or, do i need to have another os on there to work with linux?
charles

On 2002-03-08 blinux-list@redhat.com said:
   >"Joel Zimba" <jzimba@erols.com> writes:
   >> My thought is this.  Assume there's such a thing as a generic
   >>computer out  there... which there is starting to be:
   >> some kind-o-pentium with a processor from severa vendors (yes yes,
   >>I know  pentium means intel, but linux isn't that picky)
   >> if we assume a generically huge  hard disk and of course a sound
   >>card, how  complex would the cm be to come up with a distribution
   >>or just a bootable cd  (problem in itself) that would at least
   >talk out of the box... I once did a bootable live CD with tmpfs and
   >brltty. WOrked quite well. DId that using the nice debian system.
   >Basicly, you just use debootstrap to make a chroot
   >system, chroot into it, and set it up until all the
   >packages you like/need are there, and the config is right.
   >Then you check the size again, maybe add/remove something,
   >and make a bootable image out of it using mkisofs.
   >That worked, and was basicly work of about 5 hours.
   >The more problematic areas are:
   >Repartitioning,
   >hardware detection.
   >1. Repartitioning is what most users who switch
   >need. Nearly no one buys a extra computer for Linux
   >experiments these days, and a second hard disk
   >isnt always availablle too.
   >Hardware detection: You talked about soundcards, yeah. For most
   >of them, including all drivers in the kernel on the CD
   >works fine, some others need tweaking which isnt simple
   >if the thing is on a CD.
   >Also, it would be nice to have a simple braille driver
   >detection program, separate from all those different
   >screen readers. That prog should just scan ttyS0-3 and probably
   >even the USB bus for a braille display and return an identification
   >strhing. This that tool, one could build a nice
   >autodetecting braille driver start script.
   >Same applies for voice synths of course...
   >> recorded .wavs would be less desirable then tts, but might do in
   >>a pinch...  at least enough to bootstrap someone...  preferably
   >>without having to own  various kinds of somewhat compatible
   >assistive technology products. Yeah, the idea of a soundcard as
   >synth is good. But we shouldn't forget about people actually having
   >some asssistive technologies hardware.
   >> It woulden't even have to be a full system, but it must easily
   >>migrate to a  full installation.
   >I can only say, debian! Didnt find any other distro
   >which has such a nice upgrade process.
   >> I'm thinking maximize stability and do our best to keep the change
   >> monsters from getting out of control.
   >Reading that sentence, its probably better to try
   >to work at debian boot-floppies for a voice install?
   >Then, we could integrate that effort into debian itself very easily,
   >and wouldnt need to care about maintaining the other packages
   >(keeping them up-to-date...)
   >> just imagine a free or inexpensive cd shoved into a dirt cheap
   >>computer ($50  for a reasonably powerful machine these days)  and
   >>bang, net access...  and  alll the gnu software you could want.
   >As I said, a live bootable CD is easy.
   >Just try it yourself.
   >--
   >CYa,
   >Mario
   >_______________________________________________
   >Blinux-list mailing list
   >Blinux-list@redhat.com
   >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

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Re: installing brlspeak.

[Mario Lang]

<cbowman@netdoor.com> writes:

> hi, well, what I would like to do is that i am getting a new computer and it
> will have removeable hardrives and so I have 1 60 gb hard drive that dosn't
> have an os on it at all so was thinking of using it for linux if posable.
> or, do i need to have another os on there to work with linux?
No, Linux runs perfectly by itself, without help of ther (silly) OSes :-).

If you have only one drive in your computer at a time, everything
is fine. If you have a primary disk in your computer, where the
primary OS is installed, you may need to install a bootmanager
to be able to select which OS to boot.

-- 
CYa,
  Mario

Re: installing brlspeak.

[cbowman]

hi there, well, thoes are some very good points. however, in my case I am
still more of a dos user then a windows user I thought i knew something of
linux because of having used my first computer wich was a comodorr  amiga,
and it's amigados was much like unix, or linux but, the more that i see of
linux there are more differences then simulairities to amigados.  if there
is such a think as an easy to install, and set-up version do let me know.
thanks alot.
charles

On 2002-03-07 blinux-list@redhat.com said:
   >over the years, I've installed many of the linux versions blind -
   >oriented or not... one thing I noticed is they just ain't simple.
   >I mean simple for everyone regardless o knowledge level.
   >there's a movement afoot in the mass market to simplify linux so
   >you never have to deal with it... like windows did for dos... of
   >course that may or may not have been a good idea, but imagine your
   >mother trying to run linux...
   >'nuf said right?
   >My thought is this.  Assume there's such a thing as a generic
   >computer out there... which there is starting to be:
   >some kind-o-pentium with a processor from severa vendors (yes yes,
   >I know pentium means intel, but linux isn't that picky)
   >if we assume a generically huge  hard disk and of course a sound
   >card, how complex would the cm be to come up with a distribution or
   >just a bootable cd (problem in itself) that would at least talk out
   >of the box...
   >recorded .wavs would be less desirable then tts, but might do in a
   >pinch... at least enough to bootstrap someone...  preferably
   >without having to own various kinds of somewhat compatible
   >assistive technology products.
   >It woulden't even have to be a full system, but it must easily
   >migrate to a full installation.  I'm thinking maximize stability
   >and do our best to keep the change monsters from getting out of
   >control.
   >just imagine a free or inexpensive cd shoved into a dirt cheap
   >computer ($50 for a reasonably powerful machine these days)  and
   >bang, net access...  and alll the gnu software you could want.
   >the big challenge is the darn installation...  every dist has it a
   >tiny bit different, and nothing seems quite bullet-proof.
   >it's been about a year since I installed linux... maybe I should
   >just document where the hitches are these days.
   >anyone have any thoughts?
   >J
   >-----Original Message-----
   >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:38 AM
   >I can't answer both your questions but the kernal command line for
   >the accent pc is speakup_synth=acntpc.  I am not sure if Osvaldo
   >reads this list or not.
   >Kirk
   >--
   >Kirk Reiser    The Computer Braille Facility
   >e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca  University of Western Ontario
   >phone: (519) 661-3061
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   >Blinux-list mailing list
   >Blinux-list@redhat.com
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Re: installing brlspeak.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks this is good to know but, ware do i put this? thanks again.
charles

On 2002-03-07 blinux-list@redhat.com said:
   >I can't answer both your questions but the kernal command line for
   >the accent pc is speakup_synth=acntpc.  I am not sure if Osvaldo
   >reads this list or not.
   >Kirk
   >--
   >Kirk Reiser    The Computer Braille Facility
   >e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca  University of Western Ontario
   >phone: (519) 661-3061
   >_______________________________________________
   >Blinux-list mailing list
   >Blinux-list@redhat.com
   >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

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installing brlspeak.

[cbowman]

hi listers, is eanybody using the brlspeak version of linux? I am asking
because I was going to try this out but after installing I ran in to 2
problems firstly, I can't find the cernal file that i need to copy over for
the accent pc internal, and secontly when I ran the cfg bat file when runing
loadline I think it is called it would just lock up everything on me, and
wouldn't let me do eanything. what could the problem be here? thanks alot.
charles

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Re: installing brlspeak.

[Kirk Reiser]

I can't answer both your questions but the kernal command line for the
accent pc is speakup_synth=acntpc.  I am not sure if Osvaldo reads
this list or not.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

RE: installing brlspeak.

[Joel Zimba]

over the years, I've installed many of the linux versions blind - oriented
or not... one thing I noticed is they just ain't simple.  I mean simple for
everyone regardless o knowledge level.

there's a movement afoot in the mass market to simplify linux so you never
have to deal with it... like windows did for dos... of course that may or
may not have been a good idea, but imagine your mother trying to run
linux...
'nuf said right?

My thought is this.  Assume there's such a thing as a generic computer out
there... which there is starting to be:

some kind-o-pentium with a processor from severa vendors (yes yes, I know
pentium means intel, but linux isn't that picky)
if we assume a generically huge  hard disk and of course a sound card, how
complex would the cm be to come up with a distribution or just a bootable cd
(problem in itself) that would at least talk out of the box...

recorded .wavs would be less desirable then tts, but might do in a pinch...
at least enough to bootstrap someone...  preferably without having to own
various kinds of somewhat compatible assistive technology products.

It woulden't even have to be a full system, but it must easily migrate to a
full installation.  I'm thinking maximize stability and do our best to keep
the change monsters from getting out of control.


just imagine a free or inexpensive cd shoved into a dirt cheap computer ($50
for a reasonably powerful machine these days)  and bang, net access...  and
alll the gnu software you could want.

the big challenge is the darn installation...  every dist has it a tiny bit
different, and nothing seems quite bullet-proof.

it's been about a year since I installed linux... maybe I should just
document where the hitches are these days.

anyone have any thoughts?

J

-----Original Message-----
From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com
[mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Reiser
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:38 AM
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: installing brlspeak.


I can't answer both your questions but the kernal command line for the
accent pc is speakup_synth=acntpc.  I am not sure if Osvaldo reads
this list or not.

  Kirk

--

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061



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Re: installing brlspeak.

[Mario Lang]

"Joel Zimba" <jzimba@erols.com> writes:

> My thought is this.  Assume there's such a thing as a generic computer out
> there... which there is starting to be:
> 
> some kind-o-pentium with a processor from severa vendors (yes yes, I know
> pentium means intel, but linux isn't that picky)
> if we assume a generically huge  hard disk and of course a sound card, how
> complex would the cm be to come up with a distribution or just a bootable cd
> (problem in itself) that would at least talk out of the box...
I once did a bootable live CD with tmpfs and brltty.
WOrked quite well. DId that using the nice debian system.
Basicly, you just use debootstrap to make a chroot
system, chroot into it, and set it up until all the 
packages you like/need are there, and the config is right.
Then you check the size again, maybe add/remove something,
and make a bootable image out of it using mkisofs.
That worked, and was basicly work of about 5 hours.

The more problematic areas are:

Repartitioning,
hardware detection.

1. Repartitioning is what most users who switch
need. Nearly no one buys a extra computer for Linux
experiments these days, and a second hard disk
isnt always availablle too.

Hardware detection: You talked about soundcards, yeah. For most
of them, including all drivers in the kernel on the CD
works fine, some others need tweaking which isnt simple
if the thing is on a CD.
Also, it would be nice to have a simple braille driver
detection program, separate from all those different
screen readers. That prog should just scan ttyS0-3 and probably
even the USB bus for a braille display and return an identification
strhing. This that tool, one could build a nice 
autodetecting braille driver start script.

Same applies for voice synths of course...

> recorded .wavs would be less desirable then tts, but might do in a pinch...
> at least enough to bootstrap someone...  preferably without having to own
> various kinds of somewhat compatible assistive technology products.
Yeah, the idea of a soundcard as synth is good.
But we shouldn't forget about people actually having some
asssistive technologies hardware.

> It woulden't even have to be a full system, but it must easily migrate to a
> full installation.

I can only say, debian! Didnt find any other distro
which has such a nice upgrade process.

> I'm thinking maximize stability and do our best to keep the change
> monsters from getting out of control.
Reading that sentence, its probably better to try
to work at debian boot-floppies for a voice install?
Then, we could integrate that effort into debian itself very easily,
and wouldnt need to care about maintaining the other packages (keeping them up-to-date...)

> just imagine a free or inexpensive cd shoved into a dirt cheap computer ($50
> for a reasonably powerful machine these days)  and bang, net access...  and
> alll the gnu software you could want.
As I said, a live bootable CD is easy.
Just try it yourself.


-- 
CYa,
  Mario