booting in to linux.

booting in to linux.

[cbowman]

hi listers. I have a question. I am getting ready to install linux on my
computer but, i need to find something to help me to choose wich os i will
boot up in to . I have win95 on this computer, and am keeping it my hard
drive is partisioned 3 ways 1 is for just windows junk, the secont is for
dos, and the third will be for linux. I know about partision majic but,
short of that is there something that i can just download from someware to
use. thanks alot?  btw, the kind of linux I have I have slakeware 8.0, and
braillespeek i think is the name of it. I didn't see eanything for this on
the cds. thanks alot.
charles

Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive

Re: booting in to linux.

[Rafael]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 11:00:16PM -0600, cbowman@netdoor.com wrote:
> 
> hi listers. I have a question. I am getting ready to install linux on my
> computer but, i need to find something to help me to choose wich os i will
> boot up in to . I have win95 on this computer, and am keeping it my hard
> drive is partisioned 3 ways 1 is for just windows junk, the secont is for
> dos, and the third will be for linux. I know about partision majic but,
> short of that is there something that i can just download from someware to
> use. thanks alot?  btw, the kind of linux I have I have slakeware 8.0, and
> braillespeek i think is the name of it. I didn't see eanything for this on
> the cds. thanks alot.

The oldest linux loader called LILO is one way to select and boot 
different operating systems. However, there is an alternative with more 
capabilities and flexibility in my experience. That alternative is grub. 
What's most important about it is that it doesn't matter where the kernles 
are. Another words, the BIOS limitation of 1024 cylinders is not limiting 
you to boot from partitions that reside beyond 1024th cylinder.

Most distributions use lilo as a default OS loader. RedHat since 7.2 
started to give you a choice for grub as well. There are RPM packages to 
install grub on most distributions and I'm sure there is a package for 
Debian as well.

One more thing, you can only install grub under Linux as far as I can 
tell.

I suggest you create more partitions than just one for Linux. You need at
least 2 but upgrades and backups are much nicer when Linux is installed
with more than 2 partitions.

Disk drives are cheap these days and it's a good idea to have linux on 
another drive so you don't need to worry about the partitions etc.

Good luck,

> charles
> 
> Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> 

-- 
Rafael

Re: booting in to linux.

[Mike Gorse]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Rafael wrote:

> What's most important about it is that it doesn't matter where the kernles
> are. Another words, the BIOS limitation of 1024 cylinders is not limiting
> you to boot from partitions that reside beyond 1024th cylinder.

This can be done with lilo (starting with version 21, I believe) by
placing "lba32" in /etc/lilo.conf.

Re: booting in to linux.

[cbowman]

hi, ok 2 questions.  ware can i go to get  these loaders,  and how much
space will the linux system files, and so fourth  take after it is
installed and set-up. if I add another drive all I have is a 1 gb drive
that I can add so if I make 2 partisiions with that it would come out to
500 each is this workable? thanks alot. 
charles 


On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Rafael wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 11:00:16PM -0600, cbowman@netdoor.com wrote:
> > 
> > hi listers. I have a question. I am getting ready to install linux on my
> > computer but, i need to find something to help me to choose wich os i will
> > boot up in to . I have win95 on this computer, and am keeping it my hard
> > drive is partisioned 3 ways 1 is for just windows junk, the secont is for
> > dos, and the third will be for linux. I know about partision majic but,
> > short of that is there something that i can just download from someware to
> > use. thanks alot?  btw, the kind of linux I have I have slakeware 8.0, and
> > braillespeek i think is the name of it. I didn't see eanything for this on
> > the cds. thanks alot.
> 
> The oldest linux loader called LILO is one way to select and boot 
> different operating systems. However, there is an alternative with more 
> capabilities and flexibility in my experience. That alternative is grub. 
> What's most important about it is that it doesn't matter where the kernles 
> are. Another words, the BIOS limitation of 1024 cylinders is not limiting 
> you to boot from partitions that reside beyond 1024th cylinder.
> 
> Most distributions use lilo as a default OS loader. RedHat since 7.2 
> started to give you a choice for grub as well. There are RPM packages to 
> install grub on most distributions and I'm sure there is a package for 
> Debian as well.
> 
> One more thing, you can only install grub under Linux as far as I can 
> tell.
> 
> I suggest you create more partitions than just one for Linux. You need at
> least 2 but upgrades and backups are much nicer when Linux is installed
> with more than 2 partitions.
> 
> Disk drives are cheap these days and it's a good idea to have linux on 
> another drive so you don't need to worry about the partitions etc.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> > charles
> > 
> > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Rafael
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Re: booting in to linux.

[Rafael]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:29:22AM -0500, Mike Gorse wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Rafael wrote:
> 
> > What's most important about it is that it doesn't matter where the kernles
> > are. Another words, the BIOS limitation of 1024 cylinders is not limiting
> > you to boot from partitions that reside beyond 1024th cylinder.
> 
> This can be done with lilo (starting with version 21, I believe) by
> placing "lba32" in /etc/lilo.conf.

Yes, but why bother with it when the other tool is so much better IMO. You
can edit the menu and other parameters from it's prompt. There is a 
graphics file called splash.xpm.gz which dumps graphics on the screen. My 
guess is that it could be replaced with some kind of sound file and 
redirected to other ports for visualy impaired.

-- 
Rafael

Re: booting in to linux.

[Rafael]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 01:13:57PM -0600, cbowman wrote:
> hi, ok 2 questions.  ware can i go to get  these loaders,  and how much
> space will the linux system files, and so fourth  take after it is
> installed and set-up. if I add another drive all I have is a 1 gb drive
> that I can add so if I make 2 partisiions with that it would come out to
> 500 each is this workable? thanks alot. 

You mean 500MB for each OS? That's a bit tight. Since you probably do not 
X then it's doable.

/ 48 MB
/usr 300 MB
/var 32 MB
/tmp 64 MB
swap 64 MB
/home rest of the free space

That's really small. Can't dedicate whole 1GB to Linux? Used drives over
4GB can be had for $20 these days.

The above is normal number of partitions I use and never regret it. It
makes it easy to upgrade or reinstall if necessary.

Grub is on first CD from RedHat distribution under
RedHat/RPMS/grub-0.90-11.i386.rpm

All you need to do is to run 
rpm -ivh /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/grub-0.90-11.i386.rpm

and then run /sbin/grub-install

After that you need to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf to add or remove any 
kernel or OS.

Grub doesn't take much space, only boot sectors and a little bit in 
/boot/grub directory.

That's for RedHat distribution. Others might vary.

> charles 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Rafael wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 11:00:16PM -0600, cbowman@netdoor.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > hi listers. I have a question. I am getting ready to install linux on my
> > > computer but, i need to find something to help me to choose wich os i will
> > > boot up in to . I have win95 on this computer, and am keeping it my hard
> > > drive is partisioned 3 ways 1 is for just windows junk, the secont is for
> > > dos, and the third will be for linux. I know about partision majic but,
> > > short of that is there something that i can just download from someware to
> > > use. thanks alot?  btw, the kind of linux I have I have slakeware 8.0, and
> > > braillespeek i think is the name of it. I didn't see eanything for this on
> > > the cds. thanks alot.
> > 
> > The oldest linux loader called LILO is one way to select and boot 
> > different operating systems. However, there is an alternative with more 
> > capabilities and flexibility in my experience. That alternative is grub. 
> > What's most important about it is that it doesn't matter where the kernles 
> > are. Another words, the BIOS limitation of 1024 cylinders is not limiting 
> > you to boot from partitions that reside beyond 1024th cylinder.
> > 
> > Most distributions use lilo as a default OS loader. RedHat since 7.2 
> > started to give you a choice for grub as well. There are RPM packages to 
> > install grub on most distributions and I'm sure there is a package for 
> > Debian as well.
> > 
> > One more thing, you can only install grub under Linux as far as I can 
> > tell.
> > 
> > I suggest you create more partitions than just one for Linux. You need at
> > least 2 but upgrades and backups are much nicer when Linux is installed
> > with more than 2 partitions.
> > 
> > Disk drives are cheap these days and it's a good idea to have linux on 
> > another drive so you don't need to worry about the partitions etc.
> > 
> > Good luck,
> > 
> > > charles
> > > 
> > > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Rafael
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
Rafael

Re: booting in to linux.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks for letting me know. this gives me an idea about what i can
do.  thanks again. 
charles 


On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Rafael wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 01:13:57PM -0600, cbowman wrote:
> > hi, ok 2 questions.  ware can i go to get  these loaders,  and how much
> > space will the linux system files, and so fourth  take after it is
> > installed and set-up. if I add another drive all I have is a 1 gb drive
> > that I can add so if I make 2 partisiions with that it would come out to
> > 500 each is this workable? thanks alot. 
> 
> You mean 500MB for each OS? That's a bit tight. Since you probably do not 
> X then it's doable.
> 
> / 48 MB
> /usr 300 MB
> /var 32 MB
> /tmp 64 MB
> swap 64 MB
> /home rest of the free space
> 
> That's really small. Can't dedicate whole 1GB to Linux? Used drives over
> 4GB can be had for $20 these days.
> 
> The above is normal number of partitions I use and never regret it. It
> makes it easy to upgrade or reinstall if necessary.
> 
> Grub is on first CD from RedHat distribution under
> RedHat/RPMS/grub-0.90-11.i386.rpm
> 
> All you need to do is to run 
> rpm -ivh /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/grub-0.90-11.i386.rpm
> 
> and then run /sbin/grub-install
> 
> After that you need to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf to add or remove any 
> kernel or OS.
> 
> Grub doesn't take much space, only boot sectors and a little bit in 
> /boot/grub directory.
> 
> That's for RedHat distribution. Others might vary.
> 
> > charles 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Rafael wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 11:00:16PM -0600, cbowman@netdoor.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > hi listers. I have a question. I am getting ready to install linux on my
> > > > computer but, i need to find something to help me to choose wich os i will
> > > > boot up in to . I have win95 on this computer, and am keeping it my hard
> > > > drive is partisioned 3 ways 1 is for just windows junk, the secont is for
> > > > dos, and the third will be for linux. I know about partision majic but,
> > > > short of that is there something that i can just download from someware to
> > > > use. thanks alot?  btw, the kind of linux I have I have slakeware 8.0, and
> > > > braillespeek i think is the name of it. I didn't see eanything for this on
> > > > the cds. thanks alot.
> > > 
> > > The oldest linux loader called LILO is one way to select and boot 
> > > different operating systems. However, there is an alternative with more 
> > > capabilities and flexibility in my experience. That alternative is grub. 
> > > What's most important about it is that it doesn't matter where the kernles 
> > > are. Another words, the BIOS limitation of 1024 cylinders is not limiting 
> > > you to boot from partitions that reside beyond 1024th cylinder.
> > > 
> > > Most distributions use lilo as a default OS loader. RedHat since 7.2 
> > > started to give you a choice for grub as well. There are RPM packages to 
> > > install grub on most distributions and I'm sure there is a package for 
> > > Debian as well.
> > > 
> > > One more thing, you can only install grub under Linux as far as I can 
> > > tell.
> > > 
> > > I suggest you create more partitions than just one for Linux. You need at
> > > least 2 but upgrades and backups are much nicer when Linux is installed
> > > with more than 2 partitions.
> > > 
> > > Disk drives are cheap these days and it's a good idea to have linux on 
> > > another drive so you don't need to worry about the partitions etc.
> > > 
> > > Good luck,
> > > 
> > > > charles
> > > > 
> > > > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Rafael
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> 
> -- 
> Rafael
> 
> 
> 
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