Re: linux, and audio.

Re: linux, and audio.

[cbowman]

hi, ok thanks for the info on here.  now I understand better.  thanks for
shairing that.
charles

On 2001-11-25 blinux-list@redhat.com said:
   >On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, cbowman wrote:
   >> ... another question. I haven't ever compiled anything before.
   >There is an excellent tutorial in the Software-Building-HOWTO.
   >You can usually shortcut this just by reading and following the
   >directions in the README that comes with the package.
   >> does this need to be done with all linux software
   >No.  You can almost always find an appropriate compiled, easy to
   >install version for your distribution.
   >> and is it hard to do?
   >That depends on the type of user.  The average M$ computer user
   >has been trained to expect, and "need" expensive phone support
   >for the simplest of tasks, but if you are reasonably literate,
   >and can read and follow directions, it should pretty easy.  You
   >don't need to be a programmer.  You will find that most of your
   >effort will then go into learning the many features and
   >capabilities of the average package.
   >Occasionally you may try an alpha or beta package that won't
   >compile on your system.  Usually you just wait till the project
   >matures a bit.  Tweaking the package, and trying to fix it,
   >usually isn't worth the effort, unless you are into programming,
   >AND have an special interest in that particular project.  Open
   >Source projects usually mature very quickly, and you would end up
   >upgrading anyway, in a fairly short time.
   >LCR
   >--
   >L. C. Robinson
   >reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid
   >People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
   >instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
   >out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
   >"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html
   >_______________________________________________
   >Blinux-list mailing list
   >Blinux-list@redhat.com
   >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

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linux, and audio.

[cbowman]

hi listers, here i am with another question. i was wondering  are there eany
good programs out there for linux to let us play, and record audio files
such as realaudio, mp3s, wav, or eanything like that. also I know that in
windows we can listen to things on the net but, can we do this in linux
also? thanks
charles

Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive

Re: linux, and audio.

[philwh]

Hi.
there are several programs available for audio.
trplayer can be used to play real audio.
freeamp is a good mp3 player.

I use lynx and trplayer to listen to the acbradio broadcasts.

phil

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:14:33PM -0600, cbowman@netdoor.com wrote:
> 
> hi listers, here i am with another question. i was wondering  are there eany
> good programs out there for linux to let us play, and record audio files
> such as realaudio, mp3s, wav, or eanything like that. also I know that in
> windows we can listen to things on the net but, can we do this in linux
> also? thanks
> charles
> 
> Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> 
> 
> 
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Re: linux, and audio.

[cbowman]

hi, ok I see so freeamp, is something like winamp for
windows. cool. thanks for letting me know. 
charles 


On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 philwh@gate.net wrote:

> Hi.
> there are several programs available for audio.
> trplayer can be used to play real audio.
> freeamp is a good mp3 player.
> 
> I use lynx and trplayer to listen to the acbradio broadcasts.
> 
> phil
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:14:33PM -0600, cbowman@netdoor.com wrote:
> > 
> > hi listers, here i am with another question. i was wondering  are there eany
> > good programs out there for linux to let us play, and record audio files
> > such as realaudio, mp3s, wav, or eanything like that. also I know that in
> > windows we can listen to things on the net but, can we do this in linux
> > also? thanks
> > charles
> > 
> > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
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> 
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Re: linux, and audio.

[A. R. Vener]

There are many programs. I use
the trplayer interface for realaudio.  You will need
to install a realaudio client and then trplayer to
invoke it.  

Check out 
  http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/trplayer

For MP3 I use  mpg123. Check out:
http://www.mpg123.de/mpg123/mpg123-0.54.tar.gz

Your Realaudio installation needs to be compiled with X but  X
itself does not need to be running on your system.

Both trplayer and mpg123 are text console interfaces. Both
can be added to your .mailcap file to play audio streams from
lynx.  There are other audio applications out there as well, but
these are the two I've found most useful for simply listening to 
online audio.  


rudy
  

> hi listers, here i am with another question. i was wondering  are there eany
> good programs out there for linux to let us play, and record audio files
> such as realaudio, mp3s, wav, or eanything like that. also I know that in
> windows we can listen to things on the net but, can we do this in linux
> also? thanks
> charles
> 
> Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> 
> 
> 
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Re: linux, and audio.

[cbowman]

hi, ok this brings up another question. I haven't ever compiled eanything
before. does this need to be don with all linux software, and is it hard
to do? thanks
charles 


On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, A. R. Vener wrote:

> There are many programs. I use
> the trplayer interface for realaudio.  You will need
> to install a realaudio client and then trplayer to
> invoke it.  
> 
> Check out 
>   http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/trplayer
> 
> For MP3 I use  mpg123. Check out:
> http://www.mpg123.de/mpg123/mpg123-0.54.tar.gz
> 
> Your Realaudio installation needs to be compiled with X but  X
> itself does not need to be running on your system.
> 
> Both trplayer and mpg123 are text console interfaces. Both
> can be added to your .mailcap file to play audio streams from
> lynx.  There are other audio applications out there as well, but
> these are the two I've found most useful for simply listening to 
> online audio.  
> 
> 
> rudy
>   
> 
> > hi listers, here i am with another question. i was wondering  are there eany
> > good programs out there for linux to let us play, and record audio files
> > such as realaudio, mp3s, wav, or eanything like that. also I know that in
> > windows we can listen to things on the net but, can we do this in linux
> > also? thanks
> > charles
> > 
> > Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> 
> 
> 
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Re: linux, and audio.

[L. C. Robinson]

On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, cbowman wrote:

> ... another question. I haven't ever compiled anything before.

There is an excellent tutorial in the Software-Building-HOWTO.
You can usually shortcut this just by reading and following the
directions in the README that comes with the package.

> does this need to be done with all linux software

No.  You can almost always find an appropriate compiled, easy to
install version for your distribution.

> and is it hard to do?

That depends on the type of user.  The average M$ computer user
has been trained to expect, and "need" expensive phone support
for the simplest of tasks, but if you are reasonably literate,
and can read and follow directions, it should pretty easy.  You
don't need to be a programmer.  You will find that most of your
effort will then go into learning the many features and
capabilities of the average package.

Occasionally you may try an alpha or beta package that won't
compile on your system.  Usually you just wait till the project
matures a bit.  Tweaking the package, and trying to fix it,
usually isn't worth the effort, unless you are into programming,
AND have an special interest in that particular project.  Open
Source projects usually mature very quickly, and you would end up
upgrading anyway, in a fairly short time.

LCR

-- 
L. C. Robinson
reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid

People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html

Re: linux, and audio.

[Bill Gaughan]

Ok,

Does anyone know if lynx browser supports JavaScript, yet? So we can use
all those audio websites that invoke a JavaScript before sending you to
the audio url. Is there a way to download the script and decipher the
audio url without running the script? Does anyone know of a website that
has commercial audio radio stations especially talk radio that has the
urls directly to the audio feed instead of pointing to the JavaScript
which the broadcast.com page points to?

If lynx supports the rudiments of JavaScript, what tools do I need and do
I need to recompile lynx?

Thanks, everyone.

-- 
Bill Gaughan
wgaughan@snet.net

Re: linux, and audio.

[Dave Hunt]

Not sure Lynx supports JavaScript, but, you can 'source' the page, and 
look for the link to the audio feed and, for instance, add it to your 
'lynx_bookmarks' file.

-Dave

Re: linux, and audio.

[A. R. Vener]

For lynx accessible realaudio radio streams check out:

http://www.virtualtuner.com 
and
http://pages.sprint.ca/RadioClicks/files/default.htm

Re: linux, and audio.

[Bill Gaughan]

Has anyone tried Beethoven Radio at beethoven.com in linux with lynx using
freeamp or trplayer? Or is there some other program that works under
linux. Th url on radio clicks is
mms://a1400.m.akastream.net/D/1400/602/v0001/reflector:49382

Also, what is an x-ms-asf audio file? Do these work in linux?

I guess not everything on radio clicks will work without having to use
windows now and then. I guess I need two cars, I mean, computers!

-- 
Bill Gaughan
wgaughan@snet.net


On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, A. R. Vener wrote:

> For lynx accessible realaudio radio streams check out:
>
> http://www.virtualtuner.com
> and
> http://pages.sprint.ca/RadioClicks/files/default.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

Re: linux, and audio.

[Bill Gaughan]

Does anyone know of the direct audio feed address for "Dreamland" with
Whitley Strieber? And, how come some live365 sites let you have access
with "trplayer" thru "lynx" and others don't? How is it that some audio
sites give you ads without invoking JavaScript. I am not a C++ programmer,
but, we have simply got to find a way around this "unsupported url scheme"
message we all get when we try to invoke JavaScript in lynx. I fear that
lynx and maybe linux, will soon be useless to us all unless we gain full
meaningful and understandable access to X-Windows and X applications like
Netscape for Linux. I fear that, once again, we will be left behind, or
forced to stumble thru the jumble of MS Windows software products.

Until computers and the computer hardware and software industry develop
national and international uniform standards, computers will continue to
be useful toys. Just look at what a disaster internet radio has become
with the folding of netradio.com last month. Not to speak of the disaster
the dispute over royalty pay to announcers and advertising actors has done
to internet radio. Many broadcasts have pulled content from the internet
because of the fear of lawsuits, because the actors guild that records the
advertisements wants to be payed twice on their royalties, once for
conventional media (radio) and again for being broadcast on the internet.

-- 
Bill Gaughan
wgaughan@snet.net

Re: linux, and audio.

[Luke Davis]

One thing you can do, is press "E" on those links that are unsupported.
It will then show the link text, and if it contains an URL, you can edit
it down to just that URL, you should be able to access it.

Luke


On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Bill Gaughan wrote:

> Does anyone know of the direct audio feed address for "Dreamland" with
> Whitley Strieber? And, how come some live365 sites let you have access
> with "trplayer" thru "lynx" and others don't? How is it that some audio
> sites give you ads without invoking JavaScript. I am not a C++ programmer,
> but, we have simply got to find a way around this "unsupported url scheme"
> message we all get when we try to invoke JavaScript in lynx. I fear that
> lynx and maybe linux, will soon be useless to us all unless we gain full
> meaningful and understandable access to X-Windows and X applications like
> Netscape for Linux. I fear that, once again, we will be left behind, or
> forced to stumble thru the jumble of MS Windows software products.
>
> Until computers and the computer hardware and software industry develop
> national and international uniform standards, computers will continue to
> be useful toys. Just look at what a disaster internet radio has become
> with the folding of netradio.com last month. Not to speak of the disaster
> the dispute over royalty pay to announcers and advertising actors has done
> to internet radio. Many broadcasts have pulled content from the internet
> because of the fear of lawsuits, because the actors guild that records the
> advertisements wants to be payed twice on their royalties, once for
> conventional media (radio) and again for being broadcast on the internet.
>
>

Re: linux, and audio.

[L. C. Robinson]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Bill Gaughan wrote:

> ... And, how come some live365 sites let you have access with
> "trplayer" thru "lynx" and others don't?

I see all too many sites going exclusively with the M$ Windoze
Media Player, with it's ultimate proprietary lock in.  Take
comfort in the fact that M$ has been a consistent failure in it's
efforts to co-opt the internet and it's protocols, and that
they're now, by their own admission, running scared of Linux.  So
vendors and stations will soon wise up, and switch to something
more open (if they survive).

In the meantime, the internet has a vast selection of alternative
sites.  I used to chuckle at the sites that tried to register
you, and even tried to charge fees for access.  Some wannabees
just don't have a clue about the internet, and that includes most
of the old media (ABC, MSNBC, CBS, big newspapers and magazines,
etc) with their carefully filtered news and old media biases
(don't you just love trying to navigate their stupidly designed
sites)?  They are now all bleeding cash heavily, and many are
dying, even as the New Media, exemplified by the leading
www.wnd.com, and the new media sites they link to, prosper (while
the Old Media pretend that that ALL the internet media are
failing with them).

> ...we have simply got to find a way around this "unsupported
> url scheme" message we all get when we try to invoke JavaScript
> in lynx.

The solution of a previous poster (checking the HTML source for
the URL) is maybe the most sensible idea for now.  Automated
solutions will come with time.  And vote with your feet for the
new media sites that have a clue about the internet, and real
content.

> I fear that lynx and maybe linux, will soon be useless to us
> all unless we gain full meaningful and understandable access to
> X-Windows and X applications like Netscape for Linux. I fear
> that, once again, we will be left behind, or forced to stumble
> thru the jumble of MS Windows software products.

There's nothing to worry about there.  This concern comes up from
time to time on this list, among newbies to linux.  You can
consult the list archives for detailed discussions.  I will only
comment that once you understand the Unix philosophy (there are
HOWTOs and FAQs on this), you will understand why text based apps
continue to grow at an astonishing rate, and how much power
exists in this arena (GUI apps can never hope to approach that
level of functionality and power).  Increasing, the GUI apps are
just dumbed down front ends on top of these text and script based
apps, or (often somewhat limited) alternative interfaces added to
them.

> Until computers and the computer hardware and software industry
> develop national and international uniform standards,

You mean, like the development of the internet and Open Source?
<grin>

> computers will continue to be useful toys.

You may realize that M$ OS software has been routinely referred
to as a toy on many expert discussion lists, for some time now,
and for good reason.

> Just look at what a disaster internet radio has become with the
> folding of netradio.com last month. Not to speak of the
> disaster the dispute over royalty pay to announcers and
> advertising actors has done to internet radio. Many broadcasts
> have pulled content from the internet because of the fear of
> lawsuits, because the actors guild that records the
> advertisements wants to be payed twice on their royalties, once
> for conventional media (radio) and again for being broadcast on
> the internet.

Not familar with this.  Sounds like more of the typical problems
with the Old Media paradigm.  Just be patient -- it's becoming
increasingly obvious that there's nothing the old media giants
can do to stop, or even slow the change.  A good example is the
recent discussion here of DRM (basically copy protection), as it
relates to some new accessibility and electronic book standards.
For an excellent discussion of what the old media are up against,
just in the DRM area, in mp3 format, see:

http://www.ima.umn.edu/recordings/Public_Lecture/2000-2001/feb_12_01/schneier-24.mp3

It is about 15 meg, so you may wish to download it at night, if
you don't have a fast connection.  This is a lecture, followed by
discussion, by Bruce Schneier, a world authority in computer
security and cryptology.  This guy has a talent for explaining
complicated issues in terms even ordinary mortals can follow, and
he even manages to make it entertaining much of the time.  If you
want more info in text format, see his site at
http://www.counterpane.com/ (hint, search for "copy protection"
and "snake oil").

Note that we have come full circle here, to the original
question, which was about accessible audio formats: M$ is
promising what it can never deliver to content vendors (nor can
anyone), in terms of DRM.  Eventually even the dumbest of M$
customers (publishers and broadcasters) will get wise to the
scam (well, ok, the survivors anyway).

LCR

-- 
L. C. Robinson
reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid

People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html

Re: linux, and audio.

[Brent Harding]

Is there a decent sound editor to use in linux?
At 07:14 PM 11/25/01 -0700, you wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Bill Gaughan wrote:
>
>> ... And, how come some live365 sites let you have access with
>> "trplayer" thru "lynx" and others don't?
>
>I see all too many sites going exclusively with the M$ Windoze
>Media Player, with it's ultimate proprietary lock in.  Take
>comfort in the fact that M$ has been a consistent failure in it's
>efforts to co-opt the internet and it's protocols, and that
>they're now, by their own admission, running scared of Linux.  So
>vendors and stations will soon wise up, and switch to something
>more open (if they survive).
>
>In the meantime, the internet has a vast selection of alternative
>sites.  I used to chuckle at the sites that tried to register
>you, and even tried to charge fees for access.  Some wannabees
>just don't have a clue about the internet, and that includes most
>of the old media (ABC, MSNBC, CBS, big newspapers and magazines,
>etc) with their carefully filtered news and old media biases
>(don't you just love trying to navigate their stupidly designed
>sites)?  They are now all bleeding cash heavily, and many are
>dying, even as the New Media, exemplified by the leading
>www.wnd.com, and the new media sites they link to, prosper (while
>the Old Media pretend that that ALL the internet media are
>failing with them).
>
>> ...we have simply got to find a way around this "unsupported
>> url scheme" message we all get when we try to invoke JavaScript
>> in lynx.
>
>The solution of a previous poster (checking the HTML source for
>the URL) is maybe the most sensible idea for now.  Automated
>solutions will come with time.  And vote with your feet for the
>new media sites that have a clue about the internet, and real
>content.
>
>> I fear that lynx and maybe linux, will soon be useless to us
>> all unless we gain full meaningful and understandable access to
>> X-Windows and X applications like Netscape for Linux. I fear
>> that, once again, we will be left behind, or forced to stumble
>> thru the jumble of MS Windows software products.
>
>There's nothing to worry about there.  This concern comes up from
>time to time on this list, among newbies to linux.  You can
>consult the list archives for detailed discussions.  I will only
>comment that once you understand the Unix philosophy (there are
>HOWTOs and FAQs on this), you will understand why text based apps
>continue to grow at an astonishing rate, and how much power
>exists in this arena (GUI apps can never hope to approach that
>level of functionality and power).  Increasing, the GUI apps are
>just dumbed down front ends on top of these text and script based
>apps, or (often somewhat limited) alternative interfaces added to
>them.
>
>> Until computers and the computer hardware and software industry
>> develop national and international uniform standards,
>
>You mean, like the development of the internet and Open Source?
><grin>
>
>> computers will continue to be useful toys.
>
>You may realize that M$ OS software has been routinely referred
>to as a toy on many expert discussion lists, for some time now,
>and for good reason.
>
>> Just look at what a disaster internet radio has become with the
>> folding of netradio.com last month. Not to speak of the
>> disaster the dispute over royalty pay to announcers and
>> advertising actors has done to internet radio. Many broadcasts
>> have pulled content from the internet because of the fear of
>> lawsuits, because the actors guild that records the
>> advertisements wants to be payed twice on their royalties, once
>> for conventional media (radio) and again for being broadcast on
>> the internet.
>
>Not familar with this.  Sounds like more of the typical problems
>with the Old Media paradigm.  Just be patient -- it's becoming
>increasingly obvious that there's nothing the old media giants
>can do to stop, or even slow the change.  A good example is the
>recent discussion here of DRM (basically copy protection), as it
>relates to some new accessibility and electronic book standards.
>For an excellent discussion of what the old media are up against,
>just in the DRM area, in mp3 format, see:
>
>http://www.ima.umn.edu/recordings/Public_Lecture/2000-2001/feb_12_01/schnei
er-24.mp3
>
>It is about 15 meg, so you may wish to download it at night, if
>you don't have a fast connection.  This is a lecture, followed by
>discussion, by Bruce Schneier, a world authority in computer
>security and cryptology.  This guy has a talent for explaining
>complicated issues in terms even ordinary mortals can follow, and
>he even manages to make it entertaining much of the time.  If you
>want more info in text format, see his site at
>http://www.counterpane.com/ (hint, search for "copy protection"
>and "snake oil").
>
>Note that we have come full circle here, to the original
>question, which was about accessible audio formats: M$ is
>promising what it can never deliver to content vendors (nor can
>anyone), in terms of DRM.  Eventually even the dumbest of M$
>customers (publishers and broadcasters) will get wise to the
>scam (well, ok, the survivors anyway).
>
>LCR
>
>-- 
>L. C. Robinson
>reply to no_spam+munged_lcr@onewest.net.invalid
>
>People buy MicroShaft for compatibility, but get incompatibility and
>instability instead.  This is award winning "innovation".  Find
>out how MS holds your data hostage with "The *Lens*"; see
>"CyberSnare" at http://www.netaction.org/msoft/cybersnare.html
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Blinux-list mailing list
>Blinux-list@redhat.com
>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>