From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.44.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BDC3EB43 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAG4Lvp32035 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:21:57 -0500 Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id fAG4Luc19217 for blinux-list@listman.redhat.com; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:21:56 -0500 Received: from server1.shellworld.net (root@server1.shellworld.net [64.39.15.178]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id fAG4Luw19212 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:21:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (ldavis@localhost) by server1.shellworld.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAG4Lui72166 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:21:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ldavis@shellworld.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:21:56 -0500 (EST) From: Luke Davis To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011115222100.00a79af0@mail.doorpi.net> Message-ID: <20011115232102.A54471-100000@server1.shellworld.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Sender: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com Errors-To: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Subscribe to ipaq@handhelds.org--they can point you to keyboards. There are a couple that work, although I have nothing firm on which ones. Luke On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote: > One problem, handwriting recognition would be useless to me. Does the ipaq > have an accessible form of input, keyboard, etc? > At 05:01 PM 11/15/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Same price? An IPAQ is going to be around six hundred bucks, maybe seven, > >but you don't need the color resolution. The Elva is what? > > > > > >On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Joel Zimba wrote: > > > >> have a read of handhelds.org it pretty well describes the process for the > >> ipaq 3600... > >> > >> I've seen descriptions for other devices. it's mostly the same... > >> > >> presumably there are the utilities for backing up wince and the linux > loader > >> you would install... > >> I would not put it on the list of practical options at the moment, but > >> certainly possible. > >> > >> and the incentive to do it is pretty much nill now that a device exists > >> which is roughly the same price and has the work already done for you. > >> > >> Linux on devices other then pcs will bbe much more common in the coming > >> months. > >> now that tts is coming to be a more mainstream feature, we can expect the > >> level of hacking required to have reasonable access to drop dramatically. > >> > >> time shall tell, > >> > >> J > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com > >> [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Brent Harding > >> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:07 PM > >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >> Subject: RE: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out > >> > >> > >> I suppose, how would one even do this? > >> At 02:41 PM 11/15/01 -0500, you wrote: > >> >or you could save yourself the work and buy the elba... > >> > > >> >now you see the point? > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com > >> >[mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Brent Harding > >> >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:50 PM > >> >To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >> >Subject: RE: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out > >> > > >> > > >> >Wow, it'll be interesting to see how that goes, just getting it installed > >> >might be an issue, loadlin from win CE? If the sound worked, it'd be like > >> >having a mini computer, mp3, networking, anything we want now, easily > >> >implemented with linux on a microdrive. > >> >At 11:31 AM 11/15/01 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>so if anyone is willing to sacrifice a brlnote for the cause, I'll gladly > >> >>spearhead the effort to unixize one of them!! > >> >>now if only we can get the specs for the hardware... like the braill > >> >>display. > >> >>anyone have connections at pulsedaata? > >> >>J > >> >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com > >> >>[mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > >> >>Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:33 AM > >> >>To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >> >>Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>As it happens, the Braille Note is built around the MIPS chip which is > >> >>supported by linux, so the answer is "yes," that would be possible. > >> >> > >> >>As a matter of fact, this is a more timely question than may first meet > >> >>the ... ahem ... ear? > >> >> > >> >>The Braille Note runs Win CE, but Microsoft will no longer support MIPS > >> >>clients with it's Win CE OS. Therefore, Pulse Data, the Braille Note's > >> >>manufacturer finds itself dumped like a spurned lover. They have no > >> >>tomorrow to look forward to with Microsoft. I have been suggesting they > >> >>consider going with linux, now that their future is so up in the air. > >> >> > >> >> On > >> >>Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Wow, the linux is probably in some kind of rom that's unchangable so if > >> >>you > >> >>> trash it you have something to come back to. Wonder if you could get > >> >linux > >> >>> on a braille note? > >> >>> At 01:55 PM 11/14/01 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>> >Of course it would. If it is supported in linux, it'll run wherever > you > >> >>> >have linux--with the appropriate support modules installed, of course. > >> >We > >> >>> >don't know, for example, how complete the Papenmeier linux > installation > >> >>> >is. For example, I would rather doubt they've installed gnome and kde, > >> >>but > >> >>> >I've been wrong before. > >> >>> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >> Wow, would that likely work in the system's linux support? My laptop > >> >>isn't > >> >>> >> working real good for audio, as the dectalk feeds an overtone in to > >> >the > >> >>> >> system whenever it's port is accessed, even when pulling the cable > >> out > >> >>and > >> >>> >> all. The port must be giving the noise. > >> >>> >> At 09:52 AM 11/14/01 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>> >> >I don't mind the lack of line in. For serious audio work you'd want > >> >to > >> >>> use > >> >>> >> >the pcm slot with a device like the RME Hammerfalls DSP. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Tommy Craig wrote: > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >> Yes you can use your own software. As for line in and out, It > >> >>definately > >> >>> >> has > >> >>> >> >> line out. I don't believe that it has line in. It does have a > >> built > >> >>in > >> >>> >> >> microphone. > >> >>> >> >> Tommy > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> >> >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> >>> >> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> >>> >> >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >-- > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > Janina Sajka, Director > >> >>> >> > Technology Research and Development > >> >>> >> > Governmental Relations Group > >> >>> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG > >> >>> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > >> >>> >> >http://www.openebook.org > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? 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Read our white paper, > >> >>> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > >> >>> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > >> >>> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Learn how to make accessible software at > >> >>> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >_______________________________________________ > >> >>> >Blinux-list mailing list > >> >>> >Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> >>> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Blinux-list mailing list > >> >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >>-- > >> >> > >> >> Janina Sajka, Director > >> >> Technology Research and Development > >> >> Governmental Relations Group > >> >> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> >> > >> >>Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >> >> > >> >>Chair, Accessibility SIG > >> >>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > >> >>http://www.openebook.org > >> >> > >> >>Will electronic books surpass print books? 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