Alt= In Images

Alt= In Images

[Karl Dahlke]

Responding to Ray.

> Carl, one other question, will you share your address with me?
> I just want to check it out for curiosity.

I assume you mean my web site?
http://www.eklhad.net
It's very eclectic.
It has my speech adapter for Linux, and several text based programs,
but it also includes
several articles on the adoption process,
articles on how foods and food additives can effect health,
Star Trek trivia,
my trip through Botswana Africa,
polyomino puzzles,
and more.

> I don't use alt tags in my web pages.

I agree with Andor.
If the image is just for pretty, don't bother.
But if it's a clickable icon, a link or submit button,
put an alt= description in.
If you don't, my browser is a little smarter than lynx.
It looks at the file name you are linking to and shows me the tail of that.
If an image links to this.that.com/foo/bar/shopping.html,
then I'll read  {shopping}
I won't even know it was an image,
but I'll realize there is a link there, and I have a good idea what it's for.
Course this strategy doesn't always help.
Sometimes the linked file ends in index.html,
and then all I get is   {index}
Maybe in this case I should back up and present the directory name??
Well it wouldn't be necessary if everyone used alt= on linking images.

Thanks for taking the time to make your site accessible to all.
We do appreciate it.
Karl

Re: Alt= In Images

[Andor Demarteau]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
 > Star Trek trivia,
Geeek! ;)

 > But if it's a clickable icon, a link or submit button,
 > put an alt= description in.
 > If you don't, my browser is a little smarter than lynx.
 > It looks at the file name you are linking to and shows me the tail of that.
Okay, I've lynx in advanced mode and therefor get the ulr at the bottom of
the screen.
Works simular, but different.
I've also set links to display the image-filename instead of the stupid
[inline] thing.
Karl, mail your suggestion to the lynx-team. Maybe they can put it in as an
extra feature.
Btw, what browser do you use?



 > If an image links to this.that.com/foo/bar/shopping.html,
 > then I'll read  {shopping}
 > I won't even know it was an image,
 > but I'll realize there is a link there, and I have a good idea what it's for.
 > Course this strategy doesn't always help.
 > Sometimes the linked file ends in index.html,
 > and then all I get is   {index}
 > Maybe in this case I should back up and present the directory name??
 > Well it wouldn't be necessary if everyone used alt= on linking images.
 > 
 > Thanks for taking the time to make your site accessible to all.
 > We do appreciate it.
 > Karl
 > 
 > 
 > 
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Re: Alt= In Images

[Ray Saldana III]

I use Internet Explorer. I use to be a die hard navigator fan, but with the
advantages Freedom Scientific has introduced to using IE, I had to relent.
    I maintain a page for the boss, my wife, it is www.marthamyhre.com . I
am also undertaking producing pages commercially. I put the URL for my home
page in your guestbook. It is to posted yet, within a day or so all of the
navigation will be set and it should be running.
    I loved the story about the games! Isn't it incredible how things will
happen! I had to laugh that the third game fixed the first! Then I learned
something, didn't know I was a geek, but you opened my eyes to this fact,
actually don't know how grateful I am for that one though.
    Have a great day, and keep on keeping on!
73 RR
AB7JM
http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Alt= In Images


> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
>  > Star Trek trivia,
> Geeek! ;)
>
>  > But if it's a clickable icon, a link or submit button,
>  > put an alt= description in.
>  > If you don't, my browser is a little smarter than lynx.
>  > It looks at the file name you are linking to and shows me the tail of
that.
> Okay, I've lynx in advanced mode and therefor get the ulr at the bottom of
> the screen.
> Works simular, but different.
> I've also set links to display the image-filename instead of the stupid
> [inline] thing.
> Karl, mail your suggestion to the lynx-team. Maybe they can put it in as
an
> extra feature.
> Btw, what browser do you use?
>
>
>
>  > If an image links to this.that.com/foo/bar/shopping.html,
>  > then I'll read  {shopping}
>  > I won't even know it was an image,
>  > but I'll realize there is a link there, and I have a good idea what
it's for.
>  > Course this strategy doesn't always help.
>  > Sometimes the linked file ends in index.html,
>  > and then all I get is   {index}
>  > Maybe in this case I should back up and present the directory name??
>  > Well it wouldn't be necessary if everyone used alt= on linking images.
>  >
>  > Thanks for taking the time to make your site accessible to all.
>  > We do appreciate it.
>  > Karl
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > Blinux-list mailing list
>  > Blinux-list@redhat.com
>  > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>  >
>
> slainte mhaith (good health), slainte (cheers)
> Uisce Beatha (water of live/health)
> -----------
> Andor Demarteau                 E-mail: ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl
> student computer science        www:
http://www.students.cs.uu.nl/~ademarte/
> Utrecht University              irc: see webpage for details
> -----------
> Believe in yourself, know what you want, and make it happen!
>
>
>
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Re: Alt= In Images

[Charles McCathieNevile]

Not putting alt tags on things that are actually important to conveying the
message is a very bad thing (Trademark, patent pending). It means people
don't know what is there. Some browsers will try to guess, but it is a pretty
third-rate solution when the author could often have done a first-rate job.

Where the image is not doing anything except taking space, I would advise
people to put alt="". This is becuase browsers aren't sure whether they need
to try and repair images or not based on any good criteria - either they will
add hints for all images, or just images that are used for links (problem if
there is an image that conveys information but isn't a link), or will not try
to do anything. So if you do this well-made but basic browsers won't put
anything like "foo.gif" or "none" all over the page where it is unnecessary.

(Thanks for taking time to make stuff accessible - it is important to lots of
people who might not seem to need it as well as people who do)

cheers

Charles McCN

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:

  > I don't use alt tags in my web pages.

  I agree with Andor.
  If the image is just for pretty, don't bother.
  But if it's a clickable icon, a link or submit button,
  put an alt= description in.
  If you don't, my browser is a little smarter than lynx.
  It looks at the file name you are linking to and shows me the tail of that.
  If an image links to this.that.com/foo/bar/shopping.html,
  then I'll read  {shopping}
  I won't even know it was an image,
  but I'll realize there is a link there, and I have a good idea what it's for.
  Course this strategy doesn't always help.
  Sometimes the linked file ends in index.html,
  and then all I get is   {index}
  Maybe in this case I should back up and present the directory name??
  Well it wouldn't be necessary if everyone used alt= on linking images.

  Thanks for taking the time to make your site accessible to all.
  We do appreciate it.
  Karl



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