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* emacspeak and w3
@  Tyler Spivey
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From: Tyler Spivey @  UTC (permalink / raw)
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how do i fill out forms with it? i can't figure it out worth a darn. and what is wrong with the emacspeak list? thanks.
i'm getting a mail from some xpediar side. is that because you guys ae getting fed up with my messages?




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* Emacspeak and w3
@  Kerry Hoath
   ` T. V. Raman
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From: Kerry Hoath @  UTC (permalink / raw)
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I have just started using emacspeak and emacs 19.34 and it is definitely
proving to be an experience. After rtfming thoroughly, and taking the tutorial
I feel that I have the basics of movement and the like figured out. I didn't
need an editor and ed comes up faster <grin>. I have started to work with w3 4.0
and vm as these are the tools I will be mostly using. I have anumber of questions
that should probably go to the emacspeak mailing list but I lost the address
and the bookmarks relevant to it you send mail to somewhere at vasa.edu or 
somesuch.


I have installed the Debian pre-packaged emacs, bo version 19.34 and emacspeak
was installed by hand. I have not gone hamm yet because if the laptop pcmcia
card services go west I'm in a bit of a pickle. I start w3 by simply doing:
M-X w3
and it brings up the w3 documentation by default. I don't know how to get it
to open an arbitery URL. The emacspeak shell script also loads emacs with
options I do not understand, my question is if I add customizations to .emacs
will they still take effect when I run emacspeak?

How do you tell you are on a hyperlink? hitting tab appears to read the url
out which isn't what I want, I need to here the link name, at the moment I
am cursoring through the line until I find the * chars and hitting return there.

When I load emacspeak, I get the message,
"No autorevert in search path"
This stops the voice test and causes the default screen to be "scratch lisp
interaction". Not exactly what I want I'd preferr the default emacs helpscreen.
I have searched the source of emacspeak, (Does that count as reading docs?!)
and have discovered that it is emacspeak emmitting that error message. Other
than commenting out the line (An awful hack I admit,) What is
autorevert, should I get it and install it, or how do I make the message go
away?

Yes, I agree installing the packages would have probably been simpler, but I
learn much more this way, and learning is good.

If some kind soul can give me any hints or the address to write to for the 
emacspeak list, that'd be useful. I have tons more questions, but think I've
got a feature-packed message as it is so I'll refrain.
For reference, I'm using Jim's doubletalk driver with a doubletalk LT
(Nice bit of work that.). I'll be pulling it apart as soon as I get better
at emacs and learn tcl. If all goes well expect a server for the keynote gold
line of synthisizers I can get the developer's kit for them.
Regards, Kerry.

-- 
--
Kerry Hoath:
kerry@gotss.ml.org or khoath@bitbox.tamtafe.nsw.edu.au


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* Re:  screader : emacs speek : festival
@  L. C. Robinson
   ` Jude Dashiell
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From: L. C. Robinson @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: blinux-list

On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Jim Stevenson Ph.D wrote:

> Does screader use emacs speek?
> Do either use festival?

Screader will use festival, and any other tts.  It is a smaller,
less resource hungry alternative to EmacsSpeak, I understand.

> Are there differences in linux versions in running these speech utils?

Shouldn't be, but setting them up may be easier with superior
package (installation) managers, such as RedHat's rpm or Debian's
dpkg.

> I have been a fan on unix on the main frame at work for years, but
> am just investigating linux for my pc. My superviser is really
> worried about how much time it will take to actually set it all up. 

Previous Unix experience should help with this.  The big investment
in time is in learning the rich set of tools Unix has to offer.
Initial installation is a breeze with RedHat (but will probably
require some sighted assistance).  Then you have to install the
adaptive hardware or software you need, probably by hand, depending
on what you need: this can be much more tricky, and not all the
stuff that works with MS-DOS... well, you get the idea.

> What propaganda can I use to explain how linux will help me work
> more productively?

Well, Linux almost never crashes.  We run for weeks without rebooting,
and then only for filesystem checks.  You probably already know about
the rich set of tools that Unix has, including lots of text based
ones.  Linux has all these, usually in considerably enhanced form, and
many more.  I can still boot DOS (usually through the dos emulator,
"dosemu"), but rarely do so, because DOS is so hard to manage and
configure, and get things done in, that I get frustrated after a short
time.  But then, I am familar with Linux, know my way around, and you
should realize that I don't really know what some of the difficulties
blind users face are: I am sighted (though I do have a print related
disability).   Almost anything you need to do in Unix or Linux can be
done in text form.  There are text versions of almost everything
except perhaps drawing programs (grin), unlike MS-DOG/Windoze.
Of course there is also the fact that you have real multi-tasking
and muli-user capability, and can switch between things very easily,
like looking something up for the program you are writing, etc.
Virtually all the documentation for Linux is available online, for
reference, even while your editor or word processor is running in
another console, and is of generally excellent quality, and available
in multiple formats, such as ascii, or hypertext (2 main varieties,
info, or html).  You can switch contexts at the touch of a key.  I can
backup in one virtual console while writing in another, and print in
the background (printing jobs always run from a queue in the
background), and serve files and printing, mail, etc, to other
machines, all at the same time, with the built in networking software,
including to DOS/WIN machines.  Linux can do all this and more, with
much less load on the hardware/memory (less slowdown) than with the
Messy-Dos/Windoze environment.  Your boss will probably end up doing
some of this server stuff with your machine, in time.  I've seen it
happen before, like when my son ended up administering a web and mail
server at work (yes, Linux can run a web and/or mail server while you
are using the machine for your normal work).

You can get more details about the extensive capabilities of Linux
from the Linux INFO-SHEET, FAQ, and HOWTOs, though many of the
capabilities are listed in much more technical language, with few, if
any, examples of their uses.

> worried about how much time it will take to actually set it all up. 

Of course, there is a price in time to pay to set up many of the
extra server capabilities properly: this is true of any OS that offers
such things.  But the basic capabilities that you get with Linux (much
more than MS-DOS offers), will all be available almost immediately
after you install the OS, which should only be an hour or so on a
reasonably fast machine, depending on how much stuff you elect to
install (I assume you don't need or want the X-windows GUI stuff,
which takes more time to configure).  How long it takes to install
your adaptive hardware or software depends on what you need, what you
know about it, etc, but will probably be a hand install process: you
will want to read up on this in the HOWTOs, etc, before starting, so
you know more of the particular difficulties you will face, with your
hardware, before starting.  This could be as simple as adding a line
to a config file (/etc/inittab) for a serial terminal, and then
plugging in your speech or braile type terminal, plus installing an
Emacspeak or screader package, following one of the guides that have
been written for this purpose.

In short, the actual work of installation should be fairly short and
easy, barring complications, if you are prepared, in terms of know
how.  Educating yourself is what will take the time, both before
installation, and afterwards, as you learn to take advantage of all
the new power you will have.  Learning new features takes time, no
matter how "user friendly" a computer is, as we all know (but
sometimes management doesn't, and then there's salesmen...).

L. C. Robinson
reply to infynity@cyberhighway.net (a family account)


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