From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.14]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wBFD8TwA026081 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 08:08:29 -0500 Received: by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) id 6C0A817C1E; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 13:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx10.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6063D5DA2A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 13:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.mene.jabatus.fr (mail.mene.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 922BDC7A1F for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 13:08:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 1267B71637369.A4601 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=i1OLjIuG0Oj1jN1+sHEUhBDo7RoWy5ZdemocBueIf18=; b=iE5uvvCKB7blEvOdduD4yZPW8m bcijOoukdfPTkLbCmxsLF1Sgag01larBhK7FWdYb6D8M4eRqWLc6b4X8T9oZarae6D05dY1x6MYfU WaIPctLsHpNARxYuoVSIFIEzLA5bh5KUlpaX/iOnBBZz6uLmHDl1dN9wWUW4kz0GjEms=; Subject: Re: Newbie to linux and a question To: blinux-list@redhat.com References: <2282C41C-FEE4-4A7A-BFE3-7D97A53306F0@icloud.com> <20181215115220.620b6501@telaviv1.shlomifish.org> <39dffb42-cecd-a57a-bda8-e385283ca1e5@gmail.com> <20181215.123343.486.11@[192.168.1.146]> Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: <1be91b7b-f1f7-7979-5476-393da97e3d87@slint.fr> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:08:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181215.123343.486.11@[192.168.1.146]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - redhat.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Greylist: Delayed for 46:31:16 by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]); Sat, 15 Dec 2018 13:08:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]); Sat, 15 Dec 2018 13:08:25 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'109.234.163.45' DOMAIN:'mail.mene.jabatus.fr' HELO:'mail.mene.jabatus.fr' FROM:'didier@slint.fr' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: -0.1 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU) 109.234.163.45 mail.mene.jabatus.fr 109.234.163.45 mail.mene.jabatus.fr X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.39 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 13:08:29 -0000 On 15/12/2018 13:33, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Don't forget source distros like Gentoo or LFS. You can install your own package managers on those (and gentoo has one called portage), but your primary means of building packages is from source code. > And even if you're not interested in doing that, installing from source has become vastly simplified over the years; your average user need only run: > ./configure > make > sudo make install > and this will install a program suitable for 99 percent of users' needs. > I won't touch on building things like apache, mysql and other database managers, or the linux kernel itself I wouldn't recommend a newby tackle those, anyway. But the above commands are good enough for just about any userland package. I disagree. Doing this: 1) Often fails for lack of dependencies, not easy for a newbie to solve. 2) That makes hard to uninstall a software. 3) That makes more difficult to remember which software are installed. 4) You won't be warned of a security issue with the installed version. 5) More generally you deprive yourself of all the benefits of the packages management system that your distribution provide. Don't get me wrong: as a distribution maintainer and packager I am used to compile software manually. But after quick tests I always make packages that can be handled by the package management tools, to ease users' life. If actually there is no pre-built package for your distribution for a specific software, better learn how to make one yourself, which won't happen often if you use a distribution like Debian. Generally your Linux distribution provides tools to help you do that. Best, Didier -- Didier Spaier Slint distribution http://slint.fr