emacs/vi can coexist...

emacs/vi can coexist...

[brian]

Hello Nikhil,
> >         also, I have heard work of trying to make a talking shell for the
> > blind.  This bothers me.  I like bas, other may like tcsh, ksh, or whatever.
> > Why can't a screen reader be written that is independent of the shell?

> I'd be inclined to agree with you - IMHO Braille/speech access software
> should be completely independent of applications, shells etc. (not meaning
> to take anything away from EmacSpeak, but that may not help vi users
> much).  Again, though, I'm afraid I don't actually know about this project
> ...

I think we all agree that access software should
be independent from all other software.  However,
emacs is not just an editor.  If you like vi, emacs has a vi emulator,
or you can also run the real vi in the terminal emulator
of emacs.  There are few things you cannot do from
within emacs.  I have been running linux with Emacspeak for over 2 
years while browsing the web, building kernels, sending/recieving email,
developing new software, writing papers for school, etc.
  I appreciate that the emacs vs. vi issue is a religious one for most
people.  But Emacspeak allows emacs to act as a complete
speaking environment for unix, and you can use vi to edit files if you want to.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Brian.


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Re: emacs/vi can coexist...

[Nikhil Nair]

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 brian@henge.com wrote:

> > I'd be inclined to agree with you - IMHO Braille/speech access software
> > should be completely independent of applications, shells etc. (not meaning
> > to take anything away from EmacSpeak, but that may not help vi users
> > much).  Again, though, I'm afraid I don't actually know about this project
> > ...
> 
> I think we all agree that access software should
> be independent from all other software.  However,
> emacs is not just an editor.  If you like vi, emacs has a vi emulator,
> or you can also run the real vi in the terminal emulator
> of emacs.  There are few things you cannot do from
> within emacs.  I have been running linux with Emacspeak for over 2 
> years while browsing the web, building kernels, sending/recieving email,
> developing new software, writing papers for school, etc.
>   I appreciate that the emacs vs. vi issue is a religious one for most
> people.  But Emacspeak allows emacs to act as a complete
> speaking environment for unix, and you can use vi to edit files if you want to.

Absolutely.  Sorry, I shouldn't make throw-away comments like that without
explaining what I mean :-).  For the record, I'm actually an emacs user
... but then I use Braille rather than speech ...

What I was really thinking is that there could be situations where a vi
user wouldn't actually want to install emacs.  On some older laptops,
where disk space may be short, emacs is a bit big to install if you don't
really want it.

But that's not a criticism, just a comment.  Anyway, these problems will
become very rare (if they aren't already) since disk sizes are increasing.

Cheers,

Nikhil.

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