From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (qmail 2737 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 1996 21:11:48 -0000 MBOX-Line: From brian@henge.com Sun Oct 13 23:09:21 1996 Received: (qmail 1983 invoked by uid 504); 13 Oct 1996 20:12:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 1974 invoked from smtpd); 13 Oct 1996 20:12:49 -0000 Received: from cublx2.cube.net (root@194.97.64.61) by goldfish.cube.net with SMTP; 13 Oct 1996 20:06:27 -0000 Received: from zygote.ivory.com ([204.144.151.182]) by cublx2.cube.net with ESMTP id <25066-380>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 06:10:26 +0200 Received: (from root@localhost) by zygote.ivory.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id VAA00317; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:54:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:54:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199610110354.VAA00317@zygote.ivory.com> To: blinux-list@GOLDFISH.CUBE.NET From: brian@henge.com Subject: emacs/vi can coexist... List-Id: Hello Nikhil, > > also, I have heard work of trying to make a talking shell for the > > blind. This bothers me. I like bas, other may like tcsh, ksh, or whatever. > > Why can't a screen reader be written that is independent of the shell? > I'd be inclined to agree with you - IMHO Braille/speech access software > should be completely independent of applications, shells etc. (not meaning > to take anything away from EmacSpeak, but that may not help vi users > much). Again, though, I'm afraid I don't actually know about this project > ... I think we all agree that access software should be independent from all other software. However, emacs is not just an editor. If you like vi, emacs has a vi emulator, or you can also run the real vi in the terminal emulator of emacs. There are few things you cannot do from within emacs. I have been running linux with Emacspeak for over 2 years while browsing the web, building kernels, sending/recieving email, developing new software, writing papers for school, etc. I appreciate that the emacs vs. vi issue is a religious one for most people. But Emacspeak allows emacs to act as a complete speaking environment for unix, and you can use vi to edit files if you want to. Just my $0.02 worth. Brian. -- --------------- Brian L. Sellden - brian@henge.com, brians@usa.net User of Emacspeak 4.0, making Unix talk. http://www.henge.com/~brian