From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (qmail 10020 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 15:26:10 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (192.150.11.2) by mail2.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:26:10 -0000 Received: from inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.51]) by smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07930; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-345.corp.Adobe.COM by inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21438; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labrador by mail-345.corp.Adobe.COM (SMI-8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23193; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:25:36 -0700 Received: by labrador (8.6.9) id IAA07092; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:25:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13722.21747.834883.355146@labrador> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:25:39 -0700 (PDT) To: wlestes@duvallp.uncg.edu Cc: raman@Adobe.COM, blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: RealPlayer, RAP, and XVFB In-Reply-To: <199806302211.SAA10159@duvallp.uncg.edu> References: <13721.9328.752877.311730@labrador> <199806302211.SAA10159@duvallp.uncg.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.53 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: raman@Adobe.COM From: "T. V. Raman" X-Phone: 1 (408) 536-3945 X-Fax: 1(408) 537-4042 List-Id: wlestes@duvallp.uncg.edu writes: True-- for success on the average desktop the out of the box install is ultimately needed. However, it is not fair for users to expect free of cost hand-holding at every step. time is *money* and if someone posts a question and expects an answer for free simply because they weren't prepared to spend the time reding the docs that came with whatever they downloaded, I'll have little or no sympathy for such users. If this attitude continues (seems special to the blinux community) people who would normally answer questions that deserve an answer (because the answer is in fact not in the docs) will simply get turned off and go away. > > Rather than complaining after simply downloading the > > script, you would be better off with such tools if you: > > 1) Looked at the script to see what it does > --in fact the readme file that comes with rap documents > exactly what it does-- > > 2) test and get each individual piece working in your > environment in this case Xvfb etc > --there is no valid excuse > such as "I did not have access" for not doing this-- > because you can start xvfb from any shell running inside > emacspeak > > 3) finally use the packaged rap script so you dont have to repeat all the steps > each time-- > > If you are not comfortable with doing this, go use M$ > software where you will have the option of clicking yes, no > or cancel -- > > Raman, I agree with you in the attitude and actions that you suggest > linux users should take. That is, that is the attitude I try to bring > to new software under linux (and other OSes i use). However, I would > point out that much of what linux needs to do to be sucessful in the > desktop OS market is provide more of the "yes-no-cancel" features that > many microsoft video games provide. Ultimately, we will have to find a > balance between the "do it yourself because you know your environment" > and "have the computer do it for you because the environment is not > open enough to be known". I suspect that this balance will take some > time to reach and will require much patience on all sides. > > --will -- Best Regards, --raman Adobe Systems Tel: 1 (408) 536 3945 (W14-612) Advanced Technology Group Fax: 1 (408) 537 4042 (W14 129) 345 Park Avenue Email: raman@adobe.com San Jose , CA 95110 -2704 Email: raman@cs.cornell.edu http://labrador.corp.adobe.com/~raman/ (Adobe Intranet) http://cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/raman.html (Cornell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own and in no way should be taken as representative of my employer, Adobe Systems Inc. ____________________________________________________________