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[75.189.192.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f195sm12616493wmf.17.2020.03.01.15.22.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Mar 2020 15:22:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 18:22:12 -0500 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <20200301111759.GA12551@abilitiessoft> <20200301173057.GA14419@abilitiessoft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? To: blinux-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <0B5B1936-E952-4318-B9D1-F7DEB200341A@gmail.com> Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=dXbi64V8; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of kyle4jesus@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kyle4jesus@gmail.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.3 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 23:22:28 -0000 Neither MATE nor LXDM generally run into so much difficulty that they don't= work at all. But for those times, there is Fenrir, which uses speech-dispa= tcher, or brltty, which can run at startup if braille is needed, and as I r= ecall, braille is being used here. Actually, if braille is being used and s= peech is not, then startx is definitely not needed, because the text mode o= utput will work until MATE starts, at which time Orca takes over using brla= pi to produce braille output, and switching to a text-only console or the c= rash and burn of MATE should it ever happen will automatically use the runn= ing brltty with no difficulty whatsoever. On March 1, 2020 5:18:37 PM EST, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >This approach is good until lxdm and/or mate run into difficulty. Then >your computer magically turns into a paperweight unless you have a >rescue disk and know how to find the problem and recover from it. If >you go into console and run startx to get to the graphical user >interface you're already logged in and if the graphical user interface >or any part of it does not work, you still have the command line >environment to use until you can get the graphical user interface >fixed. > >On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 15:30:17 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? >> >> Ouch. All that just seems like a lot of roundabout to have to do. I >install a full MATE desktop along with Orca, set >org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled and >org.mate.interface accessibility true if necessary and use the lxdm >display manager to start it. I then only have to change three lines to >get a fully accessible desktop running at boot time. First, I uncomment >the line that begins with autologin and set it true. Then I change the >automatically logged in user from dgod to my username and uncomment >that line. Then the only other thing I need to do is to uncomment the >line that begins with session and change it from /usr/bin/startlxde to >/usr/bin/mate-session. This approach of course doesn't work all that >well on multi-user systems, but in most cases it's all you need. In >this way, you always start with a desktop running, and if you need to >do anything in a terminal, you can just open mate-terminal. I find >myself using the terminal rather infrequently these > d >> ays for anything other than building source code, complex file >management that still works better from a shell and package management, >although there are package management applications available for most >distros that don't require a terminal and work rather well, especially >for finding new software. Most applications work so well with Orca that >I have found desktop applications generally easier to use than chatty >terminal output and page-by-page reading and the like. >> >> On March 1, 2020 1:07:30 PM EST, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: >> >The most useful approach for accessibility users unless they use a >> >mouse >> >is to install startx and ratpoison and then have ratpoison run which >> >brings up startx and startx then brings up mate. The ratpoison is a >> >package which when you get it working makes startx accessible more >so >> >than it already is. >> > >> >On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:02:51 >> >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> >> To: Linux for blind general discussion >> >> Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? >> >> >> >> This is really something debian does not provide. Archlinux that >can >> >be >> >> done with installing a few of the correct packages and I don't >> >remember >> >> the list now didn't save it in braille. Now, with slint you can >do >> >all >> >> of that and that's one of the installation choices. Slint doesn't >> >have >> >> gnome either but does have mate. >> >> https://slint.fr/ is the first url and search the page for >> >accessibility >> >> and read what you find. >> >> >> >> On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >> >> >> > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:30:57 >> >> > From: Linux for blind general discussion > >> >> > To: Linux for blind general discussion >> >> > Subject: Re: Want to try a GUI. Which one is best? >> >> > >> >> > Hello, >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for all your suggestions. I have Debian Buster, >command-line >> >only. I may just wait until the next Debian testing is available and >> >see if they include Mate. >> >> > I >> >> > will be using brltty, and no speech. >> >> > >> >> > This leaves one concern in my original message for discussion. I >> >want Debian to boot into the command-line, but I want to have a >command >> >or script for starting >> >> > the GUI when I need it. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > John J. Boyer >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 01:54:07PM +0000, Linux for blind >general >> >discussion wrote: >> >> > > Best I can tell, Mate 1.24 is currently available in both >Debian >> >> > > Testing(aka Bull's Eye which will eventually become Debian 11) >> >and >> >> > > Debian Unstable(aka Sid). >> >> > > >> >> > > It's unlikely something as big as a new version of Mate will >make >> >it >> >> > > into Debian 9 aka Stretch or oldstable or Debian 10 aka Buster >or >> >> > > Stable as Debian priortizes stability over cutting edge, >though >> >it >> >> > > might make it into backports(more likely for Buster than for >> >Stretch, >> >> > > but I confess to not knowing how long Debian supports >Oldstable >> >when a >> >> > > new Stable is released). >> >> > > >> >> > > That said, while Orca, the primary, and possibly only, >graphical >> >> > > screen reader for Linux, is officially part of Gnome and >> >persumably >> >> > > optimized for that environment, and probably works so well >with >> >Mate >> >> > > due to Mate's origins as a Gnome fork(as I understand it, >Gnome 3 >> >> > > brought many controversial changes to look and feel and Mate >> >startedas >> >> > > a way to keep the Gnome 2.x look and feel in an updated >> >environment), >> >> > > Orca should, in theory, be able to work with any GTK-based >> >Desktop >> >> > > Environment or Window Manager, though anything QT-based(KDE >chief >> >> > > among them) is currently a bit hit or miss. >> >> > > >> >> > > Gnome or Mate might be the best options for a beginner as >they're >> >the >> >> > > most well documented DEs for using them with Orca, but Knoppix >> >using a >> >> > > combination of LXDE and Orca when launching a full Desktop >seems >> >to >> >> > > work well, and I've heard people have had success with the >> >ratpoison >> >> > > window Manager. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > > Blinux-list mailing list >> >> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com >> >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >-- >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Blinux-list mailing list >> >Blinux-list@redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> ~Kyle >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> > >--=20 > > >_______________________________________________ >Blinux-list mailing list >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ~KyleFrom jdashiel@panix.com Thu Mar 5 07:21:08 2020 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.4]) by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 025CL8LC031472 for ; 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Thu, 05 Mar 2020 07:21:04 -0500 X-MC-Unique: Ahi91Mo3PDS9vsWs21V6Hw-1 Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48Y8wv40Xvzm0M for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 07:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 48Y8wv3CC5zcbc; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 07:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48Y8wv365nzcbV for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 07:21:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 07:21:03 -0500 To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: foldathome package Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (relay.mimecast.com: domain of jdashiel@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jdashiel@panix.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com id 025CL8LC031472 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 12:21:08 -0000 on distros with this package you can run the package and donate spare processor time to the foldathome project which is now working on a solution to covid19. The archlinux distro has several variations of this package; debian probably has it, and slackware does not. --