* x-windows access question
@ Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS)
` Mario Lang
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0 siblings, 4 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'blinux-list@redhat.com'
First question, are there any braille and speech access packages for
x-windows so that a blind person can work with in the Unix environment
competently?
Second question, are there blind professionals out there working strictly in
a Unix environment? If so, what adaptive technology are you using to
accomplish your job?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Larry W. Honaker
DSIO-MSEDB, Release Management
DSN: 850-8090
COM: (614) 692-8090
EMAIL: lhonaker@dsio.dla.mil
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: x-windows access question x-windows access question Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) @ ` Mario Lang ` shaun_oliver ` John ` John J. Boyer ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Mario Lang @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list; +Cc: Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) "Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS)" <lhonaker@dsio.dla.mil> writes: > First question, are there any braille and speech access packages for > x-windows so that a blind person can work with in the Unix environment > competently? Well, Gnopernicus aims to be a free solution, but it is limited to GNOME2. You might want to look at http://portal.beam.ltd.uk/xvil/ which provides a somewhat more generic solution for X Window System programs, but appears to be not really free. > Second question, are there blind professionals out there working strictly in > a Unix environment? I'm sure there are more. I'm one of them. > If so, what adaptive technology are you using to accomplish your > job? I'm using a 80-char braille display and brltty. THen I also use the Real Weasel VGA card to be able to do fresh installs of Linux on new PCs on my own without having to consult a coworker... > Any info would be greatly appreciated. Well, the UNIX job-area is really large. Maybe you could tell us a little more, what you need, what the requirements are and so on. -- CYa, Mario ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question ` Mario Lang @ ` shaun_oliver ` Matt ` John 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: shaun_oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list *SNIP* THen I also use the Real Weasel VGA card to be able to do fresh installs of Linux on new PCs on my own Hi, I've heard of the Weasel card. is there a web site where I can obtain some information about it? thanks -- Shaun Oliver In a world without fences and walls who needs Windows and Gates? EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question ` shaun_oliver @ ` Matt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Matt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list The first search result on a Google search http://www.realweasel.com/intro.html At 09:40 PM 9/18/2002 +1000, you wrote: >*SNIP* >THen I also use the Real Weasel VGA card to be able >to do fresh installs of Linux on new PCs on my own > >Hi, I've heard of the Weasel card. is there a web site where I can >obtain some information about it? >thanks > >-- >Shaun Oliver > > >In a world without fences > and walls who needs Windows and Gates? > >EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au >ICQ: 76958435 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Blinux-list mailing list >Blinux-list@redhat.com >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question ` Mario Lang ` shaun_oliver @ ` John ` philwh 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: John @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list On Wednesday 18 September 2002 18:55, Mario Lang wrote: > Real Weasel They look really cool! I'd never heard of them, but google had;-) -- Cheers John. Please, no off-list mail. You will fall foul of my spam treatment. Join the "Linux Support by Small Businesses" list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question ` John @ ` philwh 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: philwh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list Hi. I have one. It is a very nice product. I have used it to set up my bios on several of my machines. phil On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0800, John wrote: > On Wednesday 18 September 2002 18:55, Mario Lang wrote: > > Real Weasel > > They look really cool! > > I'd never heard of them, but google had;-) > > > -- > > > Cheers > John. > > Please, no off-list mail. You will fall foul of my spam treatment. > Join the "Linux Support by Small Businesses" list at > http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question x-windows access question Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) ` Mario Lang @ ` John J. Boyer ` Andreas Jusek ` philwh 3 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: John J. Boyer @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'blinux-list@redhat.com' Larry, There are no screenreaders for x-window. It is a purely graphical environment. However, the Gnome project is developing Gnopernicus, which is a screen reader giving both Braille and speech access. Gnome is built on top of x-window. I am using Linux exclusively in my work. The only adaptive technology I use is a Braille display and the BRLTTY screenreader. John On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) wrote: > First question, are there any braille and speech access packages for > x-windows so that a blind person can work with in the Unix environment > competently? > > Second question, are there blind professionals out there working strictly in > a Unix environment? If so, what adaptive technology are you using to > accomplish your job? > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Larry W. Honaker > > DSIO-MSEDB, Release Management > DSN: 850-8090 > COM: (614) 692-8090 > EMAIL: lhonaker@dsio.dla.mil > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Computers to Help People, Inc. http://www.chpi.org 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question x-windows access question Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) ` Mario Lang ` John J. Boyer @ ` Andreas Jusek ` Tim Pennick ` philwh 3 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Andreas Jusek @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'blinux-list@redhat.com' Hi Larry, On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) wrote: > First question, are there any braille and speech access packages for > x-windows so that a blind person can work with in the Unix environment > competently? > In addition to the already mentioned programs GNOPERNICUS and XVIL there was a Georgia-Tech-project called UltraSonix few years ago. But I haven't heard about this for years now. Therefor I suppose, there is no active development any longer. ***But that does NOT mean that it is impossible for a blind user to work competently in the Unix-Environment: > Second question, are there blind professionals out there working strictly= in > a Unix environment? If so, what adaptive technology are you using to > accomplish your job? I am using Linux as the only operating system for about 10 or 11 years now. My adaptive technology is a braille display with a suitable Linux driver both developed by Papenmeier in Germany. - At the university I did some research work in speech recognition using emacs and some development tools on the commandline. - I did my diplomer and doctor thesis using emacs and LaTeX - I've been working for an ISP using my Linux-box to control the Unix-systems and routers in the company - currently I am working as a software developer - again using Linux as my primary development platform and to control the other Unix-systems (via telnet) - I am also teaching - e.g. the usage of Unix and its nice tools. Here I write my slided with LaTeX, contert them to HTML, load them into a browser (lynx, links emacs/w3...) and display them to the audience using a beamer. I hope this illustrates that it really ***IS POSSIBLE*** for a blind user to work Unix/Linux without the graphical interface. Of course, sometimes it would be easier if X was accessible, but till now there has always been a suitable solution on the commandline. > Any info would be greatly appreciated. If you have any more questions about details of solutions, just ask them! Best Regards Andreas Jusek Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen With kind regards Dr.-Ing Andreas R. Jusek Server Development CEYONIQ Technology GmbH Winterstra=DFe 49 33649 Bielefeld Germany Fon: +49 (0)521 9318-2110 Fax: +49 (0)521 9318-2199 E-Mail: a.jusek@ceyoniq.com http://www.ceyoniq.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question ` Andreas Jusek @ ` Tim Pennick ` Dave Mielke ` Andreas Jusek 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Tim Pennick @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list; +Cc: Tim Pennick Andreas Jusek <a.jusek@ceyoniq.com> wrote: {Snip} > I am using Linux as the only operating system for about 10 or 11 years > now. My adaptive technology is a braille display with a suitable Linux > driver both developed by Papenmeier in Germany. Andreas, I was interested to read your reference to Papenmeier equipment. I've been using the Papenmeier Braillex 2D-Screen, for about 10 years, and I'm interested to know how you drive it from Linux. Are you still using the old hardware version of the display, i.e. a card which reads the data from the video bus? If so I agree that this provides excellent support for Linux, but isn't very portable, as it is very difficult to install into a modern PC, as as far as I know, it needs an ISA rather than a PCI card slot. Have you found a way of overcoming this problem, or do you just use a very old PC? As far as I know, there are no specific Linux drivers written to drive the Software version of the Papenmeier displays. You can of course use BRLTTY, but that isn't a Papenmeier product, and has the disadvantage over the Hardware version, of not being 'up and running' during the early stages of the boot process. Sorry to pick out this minor part of your very comprehensive reply to the original question, but I'm anxious to make sure there aren't options for driving the display that I don't know about. Regards, Tim Pennick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question ` Tim Pennick @ ` Dave Mielke ` Andreas Jusek 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dave Mielke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linux General Discussion for Blind Users (mailing list); +Cc: Tim Pennick [quoted lines by Tim Pennick on September 19, 2002, at 11:26] >As far as I know, there are no specific Linux drivers written to drive the >Software version of the Papenmeier displays. You can of course use BRLTTY, >but that isn't a Papenmeier product, How is this a disadvantage? Is it missing some functionality which it should have? >and has the disadvantage over the >Hardware version, of not being 'up and running' during the early stages of the >boot process. BRLTTY can be started as the very first step of the boot sequence. It's on-line manual describes how to do this, i.e. with a sysinit entry in inittab. That's probably about the best that can be hoped for with a software solution, and, since most people these days don't have an ISA video card, they wouldn't be able to use Papenmeier's hardware solution anyway. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question ` Tim Pennick ` Dave Mielke @ ` Andreas Jusek 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andreas Jusek @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list Tim, > I was interested to read your reference to Papenmeier equipment. I've been > using the Papenmeier Braillex 2D-Screen, for about 10 years, and I'm > interested to know how you drive it from Linux. Are you still using the old > hardware version of the display, i.e. a card which reads the data from the > video bus? If so I agree that this provides excellent support for Linux, but > isn't very portable, as it is very difficult to install into a modern PC, as > as far as I know, it needs an ISA rather than a PCI card slot. Have you found > a way of overcoming this problem, or do you just use a very old PC? > > As far as I know, there are no specific Linux drivers written to drive the > Software version of the Papenmeier displays. You can of course use BRLTTY, > but that isn't a Papenmeier product, and has the disadvantage over the > Hardware version, of not being 'up and running' during the early stages of the > boot process. I was using Papenmeier's hardware solution formany years and am quite sad, that no modern PC and braille display would support this technique :-( I'm currently using the Papenmeier el 2d-80, which can only be driven via RS232. This display is supported by the SuSE sbl but currently without the "second dimension". I'm using uxdots, which is a commercial product from Papenmeier. There is a web-site www.uxdots.de where I think you can download a demo version. The SuSE-driver is distributed with the normal SuSE-Linux distribution. It should recognize you display during the installation automatically. Brltty should also support the braillex 2d-screen. Best regards Andreas On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Tim Pennick wrote: > > Andreas Jusek <a.jusek@ceyoniq.com> wrote: > > {Snip} > > > I am using Linux as the only operating system for about 10 or 11 years > > now. My adaptive technology is a braille display with a suitable Linux > > driver both developed by Papenmeier in Germany. > > Andreas, > > I was interested to read your reference to Papenmeier equipment. I've been > using the Papenmeier Braillex 2D-Screen, for about 10 years, and I'm > interested to know how you drive it from Linux. Are you still using the old > hardware version of the display, i.e. a card which reads the data from the > video bus? If so I agree that this provides excellent support for Linux, but > isn't very portable, as it is very difficult to install into a modern PC, as > as far as I know, it needs an ISA rather than a PCI card slot. Have you found > a way of overcoming this problem, or do you just use a very old PC? > > As far as I know, there are no specific Linux drivers written to drive the > Software version of the Papenmeier displays. You can of course use BRLTTY, > but that isn't a Papenmeier product, and has the disadvantage over the > Hardware version, of not being 'up and running' during the early stages of the > boot process. > > Sorry to pick out this minor part of your very comprehensive reply to the > original question, but I'm anxious to make sure there aren't options for > driving the display that I don't know about. > > Regards, > > Tim Pennick > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: x-windows access question x-windows access question Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` Andreas Jusek @ ` philwh 3 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: philwh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blinux-list Hi. I am totally blind and have been using unix in one form or another for over 20 years. I use a serially attached terminal that has speech on it as my access method. I started out using an hp 150 modified with speech back in 1984 and now use an old 486 with jaws for dos and commo as my serial terminal. phil On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 06:29:32AM -0400, Honaker, Larry (DSIO-MS) wrote: > First question, are there any braille and speech access packages for > x-windows so that a blind person can work with in the Unix environment > competently? > > Second question, are there blind professionals out there working strictly in > a Unix environment? If so, what adaptive technology are you using to > accomplish your job? > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Larry W. Honaker > > DSIO-MSEDB, Release Management > DSN: 850-8090 > COM: (614) 692-8090 > EMAIL: lhonaker@dsio.dla.mil > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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