From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.44.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179753F81D for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fADN2Kp08275 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:02:20 -0500 Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id fADN2JI08911 for blinux-list@listman.redhat.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:02:19 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id fADN2Jw08907 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:02:19 -0500 Received: from pm686-39.dialip.mich.net (HELO oemcomputer) (207.73.73.97) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 23:02:18 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001301c16c97$388fe360$614949cf@oemcomputer> From: "Jared" To: References: <20011113175053.S60583-100000@server1.shellworld.net> Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:02:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Loop: blinux-list@redhat.com Sender: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com Errors-To: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Put it this way I am most productive with both. When reading programming manuals or other manuals I can get through it a lot faster with speech. When having to read code for programs thoe if it gets involved with any type of complex stuff its a lot quicker to read the code in braille instead of looking at each line 4 times with speach but this is just me and I know htat others might be different. This is my last and only contribution on the thread. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Davis" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out > Tommy > > We could toss stats for hours, and not get anywhere. I have mine, you > have yours', and it really doesn't matter. > > For the record, in my personal case, I have tried em all. No matter. I > am far faster with speech. I suggest that this may apply to a good > portion of the rest of the working blind as well. I don't know that it > does, however, and I will not posit that it does, nor claim that it is > "how it should be". Each individual is different, and there is a 50% > chance a particular person will go one way or the other (not considering > those that will use both). > However, one can not say which way anyone will or should go, and one > should not claim to any degree that one method "is more productive than > another", because that, as I said, is only 50% true. > > Luke > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Tommy Craig wrote: > > > Hi Luke, > > > > I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone either. I do believe that > > statistically though I am on safe ground. One statistic is that 80% of blind > > people are unemployed and that 80% of the ones who are employed are Braille > > users. I based my statements on my experience and on the people I have > > worked with and trained throughout the years. Of course there are exceptions > > to every rule. I also believe that there is a huge difference in the Braille > > display you are using. For example, using an eighty character display is > > much more productive than using a 20 or 40 cell display. > > Tommy > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com